NetRemote Designer 0.9.4 (posted 20-Sep-2005)

[Ben S]

Hello everyone -
I've just made available NRD version 0.9.4.

Download here: Download link (http://www.promixis.com/download.php?id=779)
Purchase a license during beta for 20% off here: Purchase link (https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1650974)

There are still a few tweaks for bugs as well as some enhancements we'd like to make in order to call this iteration done (and being putting together our list for the next revision), but overall this version has many of the fixes and enhancements you all were asking for.

0.9.4.0 (24-Sep-2005)
1. Fixed - Error with Girder 3.3 not loading properly in some instances into action designer, breaking the load process.

0.9.3.0 (20-Sep-2005)
1. Fixed - Issue with opening a frame or button not using an image variable after opening one that does making options incorrect
2. Fixed - Problem with a glitch in an image stream making a file impossible to open (note that a "broken image" will need to be fixed, however)
3. Fixed - Adding images to the Designer locking them from changing
4. Fixed - Checkbox now available for frames and buttons for wrap (requires new version of NetRemote for full support)
5. Fixed - ID tags are now handled properly after loading and saving (removing a state, for instance, would break before because the ID tag would still be present)
6. Fixed - Problem with registration codes not working from our provider (for some reason)
7. Fixed - A corrupt registration process would throw an ugly error, instead of a nice message

0.9.2.0 (16-Sep-2005)
1. Fixed - Issues with not being able to edit ID Tag
2. Fixed - Panel hide not loading properly
3. Fixed - Wrap not working in NR and not saving properly.
4. Fixed - Copy actions from button to button
5. Fixed - Problem copying element where it doesn't parent properly.

0.9.1.0 (08-Sep-2005)
1. Fixed - Issue with editing lua (actions and file)
2. Fixed - Issue with copy/paste actions not working properly from context menu
3. Added - When working on a large resolution ccf, NRD will now not jump to the top of the scroll area after making a change.

0.9.0.0 (04-Sep-2005)
1. Fixed - F2 not working to go to properties with element selected
2. Fixed - Changing tabs still showing rubber band
3. Fixed - * not showing for new/changed files
4. Fixed - Problems when setting actions for hard keys
5. Fixed - Renaming a page not renaming tab
6. Fixed - Deleting a page not closing that page
7. Fixed - Deleting element keeping rubber band
8. Added - Copy and paste "look" (colors, images, states, fonts, and alignment)
9. Added - Word wrap checkbox, and usage of such.
10. Added - Tab around elements (unfortunately shift-tab does not cycle backwards. You can use comman and period to cycle both directions)
11. Added - Home key will select parent element
12. Added - End key will select first child element
13. Added - Entering X,Y coordinates in lower right with multiple selected elements will move all of them
14. Added - Panels can now be marked "hidden" meaning that using "scroll up" and "scroll down" within NR will not show them
15. Added - Right click options on hardkeys
16. Added - Hitting enter and escape on plugin properties will OK and Cancel appropriately.
17. Added - When adding an image to the image picklist, it will scroll to the bottom
18. Fixed - Null pointer error when going to image selection after removing some elements
19. Fixed - Changed all references to LUA to Lua (though a newer version of NetRemote is required for the change to the plugin actions)
20. Added - Image variable picklist on advanced tab of element properties to set the image variable.
21. Added - Because of many things using the "ID Tag", the element properties will enable and disable the options (IE: If you use an image variable, you can't have states, and vice versa)
22. Added - Lua action in plugin action uses syntax coloring editor
23. Added - Much stronger Girder 4 integration. The designer will connect to Girder 4 automatically and show more of the loaded files. Dragging and dropping an action that doesn't yet have an event will create the event within Girder, dramatically improving the ability to design an interface that uses Girder.
24. Added - Undo/Redo of copy,cut, paste actions.

[Jlee]

Looks like you've been very busy Ben :). Nice Work.

I haven't had chance to try this version yet but looking at the feature list I was hoping to see something about states. The 'hide when true' property seems to be working the wrong way round. If I set myvar to 1 and use 'myvar is 1, hide when true' the button is hidden when the value is 0 and shown when the value is 1.

I guess you could break everyone's CCF's if you fixed this so maybe you could just change the text to read 'hide when false'.

[Jlee]

1. Why no wrap text box on frames (only buttons)?

2. In a frame if you set alignment to Top Left NR still centres the text horizontally. This was with a large frame with 5 lines of text separated by line feeds.

3. Is there any chance the 'copy look' function could bring up a selection box with check boxes for each item we want to copy (like Tonto).

[Jlee]

Big BUG! Can't drop a NR Basic Lua action onto button actions and double clicking the action instead of dragging it caused an exception error.

[danward79]

Hi Ben,

Looks like you have been beavering away hard on this. Would like to appologise for my absence recently this has been due to G4... Sorry!

[Rob H]

Even bigger bug - NR Designer won't even start for me!

The splash screen appears and stays on screen, but that's as far as it gets.

Here's what DbgView has to say

Connecting to NetRemote object
Creating CoNetRemoteHelper
Creating CoNetRemote
Getting Namespace
Getting plugins
Getting configuration from registry
Creating ElementProperties reusable window
SymTDI: ProcTrack: CalculateSignatureForModule : Module doesn't seem to have DOS header?

[Rob H]

Further to this - it looks as though it's stuck here


> 00000000()
system.dll!System.Net.Sockets.Socket.Receive(byte[] buffer, int offset, int size, System.Net.Sockets.SocketFlags socketFlags) + 0x8e bytes
system.dll!System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.Read(b yte[] buffer, int offset, int size) + 0x67 bytes
mscorlib.dll!System.IO.BinaryReader.FillBuffer(int numBytes) + 0x58 bytes
mscorlib.dll!System.IO.BinaryReader.ReadUInt32() + 0x12 bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Utility.GirderClientIm pl.ReadCommand(uint sequence, uint cmd, System.Object[] parameters) + 0x5e bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Utility.GirderClientIm pl.ReadCommandSpecific(uint sequence, uint cmd, System.Object[] parameters) + 0x22 bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Utility.GirderClientIm pl.get_Children() + 0xe6 bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Controls.ActionDesigne rControl.LoadPluginTree() + 0x6a0 bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Forms.ElementPropertie s.ElementProperties(com.promixis.Controls.NRIEdito rControl parent) + 0x25f bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Controls.NRIEditorCont rol.NRIEditorControl(com.promixis.Forms.NRIEditorF orm parent) + 0x12c bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Forms.NRIEditorForm.Op enFile(string filename) + 0x115 bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Forms.NRIEditorForm.NR IEditorForm() + 0x6c3 bytes
NRDesigner.exe!com.promixis.Forms.NRIEditorForm.Ma in(string[] argv) + 0x113 bytes

[Jlee]

I've had a similar problem ocassionally with the previous version and I've restarted NR to get designer to come up ok.

[danward79]

I had the same problem this morn, but no time to grab the logger output. sorry

[Rob H]

Found out that I was still running G4 B1 on one machine which was preventing NRD from starting successfully.

[danward79]

Hi,

I am unable to get it to start still, here is my debug output

[2004] Connecting to NetRemote object
[2004] Creating CoNetRemoteHelper
[2004] Creating CoNetRemote
[2004] Getting Namespace
[2004] Getting plugins
[2004] Getting configuration from registry
[2004] Creating ElementProperties reusable window

[Ben S]

Dan - are you running G4 (most recent) everywhere? How many G4 plugin instances do you have setup in NetRemote (on the designer machine)? Can you remove all but a local one and see if it starts better?

I'll add some better handling of G4 communication problems to ensure this doesn't break in the future.

1. Why no wrap text on frames (only buttons)?
Not supported in NetRemote at the moment. This will be unlocked once this becomes available in NetRemote

2. In a frame if you set alignment to Top Left NR still centres the text horizontally. This was with a large frame with 5 lines of text separated by line feeds.
Is this buttons too, or just frames?

3. Is there any chance the 'copy look' function could bring up a selection box with check boxes for each item we want to copy (like Tonto).

Uh. I guess. I'll need to take a look. Can you give me an example of when you'd use this (versus copying the whole look)?

The 'hide when true' property seems to be working the wrong way round
Yes, sorry. This _should_ be "hide when not true". I'll make this change in the next release.


Big BUG! Can't drop a NR Basic Lua action onto button actions and double clicking the action instead of dragging it caused an exception error.
Now that's just plain weird. This was the last thing I fixed, and I verified it worked, but now it's not working in my installed area either.

[danward79]

I run latest G4 on dev machine old beta 4 or 7 on htpc and G3.3 on dev machine. Will try what you suggest later.

[Ben S]

G3 is fine, but for G4 these changes require beta 7 (I think) of Girder due to upgrades in the COM server.

[danward79]

ok, so if I make sure all my machines are running the latest it *should* work, will let you know

[danward79]

That worked now started, I deleted the non local plugin for G4

[danward79]

Now,

When I close the file I was editing (1024 x 768) and opened another smaller resolution (480 x 640), NR did not resize it's interface correctly. I used "Send Interface to NR".

See the pic below.

[danward79]

Hi,

Just tried to copy some actions from one button using copy actions in the context menu and then paste actions in the context menu, and got the following

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.InvalidCastException: Specified cast is not valid.
at com.promixis.Controls.RenderControl.menuButtonItem PasteActions_Activate(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at TD.SandBar.ButtonItemBase.OnActivate()
at TD.SandBar.k.b(TopLevelMenuItemBase A_0, Boolean A_1, Boolean A_2, Point A_3)
at TD.SandBar.TopLevelMenuItemBase.a(Control A_0, Point A_1, Boolean A_2)
at TD.SandBar.TopLevelMenuItemBase.Show(Control control, Point position)
at com.promixis.Controls.RenderControl.OnMouseUp(Mous eEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Mes sage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Mess age& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.UserControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage (Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(M essage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************

[Ben S]

Big BUG! Can't drop a NR Basic Lua action onto button actions and double clicking the action instead of dragging it caused an exception error.

I'll fix the installer today, but for now - extract the attached xml file into the install directory and you'll be good to go. Was anyone able to edit the lua file from within NRD before? This would have bombed there, too.

[Ben S]

When I close the file I was editing (1024 x 768) and opened another smaller resolution (480 x 640), NR did not resize it's interface correctly. I used "Send Interface to NR".

Does it do this consistently for you? I've seen this once or twice in the past, but not lately.

[Ben S]

Just posted quick fixes to the lua and action copy/paste issues.

[danward79]

When I close the file I was editing (1024 x 768) and opened another smaller resolution (480 x 640), NR did not resize it's interface correctly. I used "Send Interface to NR".

Does it do this consistently for you? I've seen this once or twice in the past, but not lately.

Dunno, not tried to recreate it. I will keep an eye open thou.

[Chas821]

Ben,

I've been waiting for the fix for wrapping text that apparently was fixed. So I downloaded the newest NRD, installed, and edited my CCF. Here what I have discovered:

1. Create a button
2. Write a label that's going to too large for one line in the button
3. Click on the "wrap text" check box to make it wrap the text (with middle center alignment)

In Designer, the text wraps correctly.
Save it.
Open NR.

The label on the button did not wrap!

Also, there is no checkbox to wrap the text in a frame. Omitted by design?


Chuck

PS: Why is the ID Tag for a previously written tag greyed out? I can't edit the tag!

[Jlee]

Quote:
2. In a frame if you set alignment to Top Left NR still centres the text horizontally. This was with a large frame with 5 lines of text separated by line feeds.

Is this buttons too, or just frames?
Sorry for not replying sooner, I didn't notice your post until just now.
I'm at work now and have not tried this but I will and let you know.


Quote:
3. Is there any chance the 'copy look' function could bring up a selection box with check boxes for each item we want to copy (like Tonto).

Uh. I guess. I'll need to take a look. Can you give me an example of when you'd use this (versus copying the whole look)?
Well one example would be where I want to quickly copy the colors and font to make sure they are the same on a new button but the image might be different. Also it's unlikely I would want to copy states along with the 'look' as these are very specific to particular buttons, though I may want to copy the state on it's own. Speaking from experience of using Tonto I can remember many times when I would check / uncheck various items in the pop up for different circumstances. I think it was a neat feature.

[Jlee]

Ben,

I've been waiting for the fix for wrapping text that apparently was fixed. So I downloaded the newest NRD, installed, and edited my CCF. Here what I have discovered:

1. Create a button
2. Write a label that's going to too large for one line in the button
3. Click on the "wrap text" check box to make it wrap the text (with middle center alignment)

In Designer, the text wraps correctly.
Save it.
Open NR.

The label on the button did not wrap!

Also, there is no checkbox to wrap the text in a frame. Omitted by design?


Chuck
Chas - This has been covered in posts above.

[Chas821]

Jlee,

With all due respect, I have read all the posts above and the only issue mentioned was the omission of the wrap feature in frames (my bad!). But the other issues remain:

1. Wrap appears to work only in NRD. The resulting text in NR does not wrap. No mention of this in previous posts. It is not the alignment issue you cited.

2. I cannot edit my ID tags (they're greyed out with a message underneath that says something about only advanced users....etc.)


Chuck

[Jlee]

Sorry Chas if I didn't read it properly. I just thought maybe you hadn't read the information above so I was just trying to help by pointing you towards it. I assumed you hadn't read it because you asked the question about 'no wrapping in frames' and Ben answered this.

With all due respect
With all due respect there is nothing worse than starting off a sentence with the words 'With all due respect'. It always makes me feel what follows is probably going to be agreesive or rude (I'm not not saying it was though). It's a bit like when Simon Cowell says 'I don't mean to be rude but...' and you just know whats coming next. :wink:

[Chas821]

JLee,

When I compare my experience with NR and NRD with yours, I ABSOLUTELY pay my respects! Unlike some other message boards that I frequent, it doesn't pay to anger the experts. They quit helping you and then where are you?

Chuck

[Jlee]

They quit helping you and then where are you? That won't happen here. :)

[Wilhelm]

Hi Ben,

I just have had the time to look at the latest designer. Now it imports my old CCF quiet well. I could save it and load it to NR again.
I have seen that you added the hidden panel feature in. Nice. But the conversion doesn't seem to know about it, so I had to add the hiden flag to the appropriate panels manually.
Unfortunately after that, the CCF couldn't be saved any more. (See attached log).
The German error message "Schlüssel kann nicht null sein" means: Key cannot be NULL

Hope this helps

Wilhelm

[Ben S]

Regarding text alignment - looking into it on the NetRemote side.

Regarding not loading panel hiding - Interesting. Looking into it. Thanks.

Regarding problem saving, can you send me your ccf along with which panel you want to hide so I can recreate?

Regarding ID tag's not editable - So after you add an ID tag, it then becomes uneditable again? Let me take a look.

[DaveS]

Ok, having a strange problem with designer now. started getting trial has expired message on launch. I get three options: buy it now (which isnt active yet) , cancel or OK. Clicking OK does not launch designer and checking running processes designer is still a running process consuming 99% of the cpu cycles. Tried removing and reinstalling a couple of times with the same results. I installed designer on my htpc and all is well there. I just don't do and ccf design on that machine. Is there a way to completely remove designer or get a trial key ?

Thanks Dave.

[Chas821]

Ben,

Regarding the ID Tags: I have confirmed that in versions 8 and 9 of NRD the ID tag cannot be edited. It is greyed out with a message underneath the box. See the screen shot attached. I had to drop back to version 7 to edit my tags to correct a problem I had in my CCF.

[Ben S]

Re: ID Tag - Craziness has been found (ID tag's are now "jetisoned" after saving and loading, and recreated on save (when required)). Which means that ID tags only stay around if they are non state, image variable, or wrap specific (not sure if that makes sense - just know that it's fixed).

Re: Text alignment - Looks like this doesn't work in NetRemote yet. I'll have to add this to NetRemote for the next release to support this.

Re: Panel hiding not loading - Fixed.

Re: Wrap not working in NR / saving - Fixed.

Re: Copy actions from one button to another bombing - Fixed.

Re: Wilhelm's "bad file" - Still investigating

Re: Registration time-out - This is mighty strange. The new version wasn't available until July 22nd, with a 60 day timeout, so it should still be valid. After I upload the next version I'll make the registration process "live".

[DaveS]

Ben, Yeah -- discovered my pc's date was set ahead for some reason. I beleive this condition existed when the designer was first installed. Not thinking about the effects I set it correctly. Its strange however that I don't get a message about date being set back from the install of designer now. Just seems to install fine and running it after install consumes 99% of the cpu.

Dave

[esajesa]

Still get a problem with when I cut and paste a frame, then I have to restar Designer in order to be able to change the objects I pasted.

[Ben S]

esajesa - Thanks, I've seen that one too. It's related to the undo/redo process, and is now corrected.

I'll be adding a version with these fixes tomorrow.

[Ben S]

Hi folks - just uploaded new version. Get it while it's hot!

[Chas821]

Ben,

Maybe I'm being too picky? Seems to me the text wrap still isn't quite there yet.

I have a screen with 4 buttons labeled "Watch DVD", " Watch Cable", etc. Each button label is too long for the button width without wrapping the text. I use spaces and CR/LF to align the text without Wrap Text.

With this latest release of NRD here's what I'm seeing: I edit my button, remove all extra spaces and CR/LF, choose Middle Center alignment and the wrap checkbox is checked. In NRD the label text looks perfect. I save it and look at the button in NR. The text wraps fine but it is now aligned Top Middle. If I go back into NRD and change the alignment (top, middle or bottom center, etc), save it and look at NR the text alignment in NR does not change it stays top middle aligned. This hold true for newly created buttons, not just the ones that previously exist. If you want I can send up my CCF.

Also, If I check Wrap Text, the States function below it is disabled (greyed out, no right click). Is that by design?

Chuck

[Ben S]

Hi Chuck -
Sorry, I should have clarified. Text wrap and formatting requires a new version of NetRemote (coming soon) to work 100%. We've corrected the issues with formatting and are happy to say that wrap and alignment now play nice for the 9 variations (top left through bottom right).

Additionally, we've changed wrap to use the same option as Tonto (which we weren't using properly) so it's opened back up the ability to use wrap with states, etc.

This all requires the new version of NetRemote, however. Please stay tuned.

Thanks!

[Chas821]

Ben,

Thanks for the reply. I'll patiently await the next update of NR. But for what it's worth, NRD is FANTASTIC! Any early information on official release date and pricing?

Chuck

[curtiswren]

I think designer is not closing image files after importing them. Here's the steps I go through:

- Create an image in an editor and save it
- Import it into designer
- Make changes in the editor and try to save. The image editor is unable to save giving a message of permission denied.
- After shutting down designer, I am able to save. Just closing the CCF is not enough.

[curtiswren]

I'm having a couple other small problems.

1 When I create a new frame, I can't edit the name of the frame

2 Sometimes I have an frame that is behind another frame and I want to bring it to the front. I can select the lower frame in the tree, but the can't select "Bring to front" anywhere. Since it's behind another frame, I can't right click it on the drawing pane either.

[patrick.eekhout]

Unfortunately NRD won't start. I have the latest versions of NR, NRD and Girder 4. Any ideas?

This is what i get:
NetRemote Designer Error
Item has already been added. Key in dictionary: "0.-1" Key being added: "0.-1"

----

In addition to the initial post: I just discovered the log-file, which might be handy:

Connecting to NetRemote object
Creating CoNetRemoteHelper
Creating CoNetRemote
Getting Namespace
Getting plugins
There was an uncaught exception initializing the application
Item has already been added. Key in dictionary: "0.-1" Key being added: "0.-1" at System.Collections.Hashtable.Insert(Object key, Object nvalue, Boolean add)
at System.Collections.Hashtable.Add(Object key, Object value)
at com.promixis.NetRemotePluginWrapper..ctor(INetRemo tePlugin plugin, Int32 id)
at com.promixis.NetRemotePluginWrapper..ctor(INetRemo tePlugin plugin)
at com.promixis.NetRemoteInterface.GetPlugins()
at com.promixis.NetRemoteInterface..ctor()
at com.promixis.NetRemoteInterface.get_Singleton()
at com.promixis.Forms.ReferenceInformationForm.Refres hVariables()
at com.promixis.Forms.ReferenceInformationForm..ctor( NRIEditorForm parent)
at com.promixis.Forms.NRIEditorForm..ctor()
at com.promixis.Forms.NRIEditorForm.Main(String[] argv)

[talm]

Here is the error that I am getting when I try to open NRD. I am running the latest NR with the latest NRD.

[DaveS]

Ben, any possibility of a live registration? I'm more than willing to pay for designer as it is. Right now I can no longer develop my ccf. Working on this on my htpc (where designer functions fine) down in the basement is not an option.

DaveS

[Ben S]

Patrick - Can you tell me a little bit about your plugin instances in NetRemote? How many Girder instances? G3 or G4? How many GML's loaded?

DaveS - Yes, sorry for the delay. We'll make this live tomorrow morning. Apologies for the delay.

Talm - Please send me your ccf so I can recreate. Where was the CCF created? Tonto originally?

Curtis - Yes, you're right. I'll fix the image issue. Can you not edit the name in the Element Properties window or in the lower status area?

Regarding bringing a frame to the front, here's what you'll have to do (for now - I'll add a menu option to the left tree to do this). Select an element in the panel, and then use the following keys to "select" the frame.

Home : Up to the element's parent
End : Down to the first child of the element
. <period> : Next element
, <comma> : Previous element

When the frame is selected -

PgUp : Move element up in z-order
PgDown: Move element down in z-order

[curtiswren]

It's the Element Properties that's giving me the problems (I didn't notice the one at the bottom). I've got a bit more info on this now. When I popup the Element Properties window, the Element Name field is greyed out. It looks like this is because the Image Variable control on the Position/Advanced tab is getting prefilled with the first item in the drop down. This happens on frame that I just created and haven't set the Image Variable field to. If I clear it out, I can go back and edit the Element Name.

[talm]

Ben,

I believe that the CCF was created in NRD but I may edited some functions with Tonto cause I could not do that with the designer.

I have sent you an Email with my CCF/LUA file

Thanks.

Tal

[Ben S]

talm - The file was corrupt, for some reason. One of the images (I believe the random button). I've changed the designer to log the error but continue loading.

curtis - I've changed the image loading to -not- lock the image.

Also found the bug with image variables not being cleared between buttons.

[Ben S]

Hi folks - information concerning pricing and more can be found in this thread (http://www.promixis.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=128714#128714).

[talm]

Ben,

Thanks for the quick fix. Now I can start working on my ccf again.

Thanks,

Tal

[Ben S]

Not a problem. Thanks!

All - I know that some of you have started doing so, but now that there is a designer forum, please post bugs, enhancements, etc. in separate threads for easier consumption of info.

Thanks!

[esajesa]

Hi,

if I want to use a state depending on a variable's string value, such as GBPVR.Channel is TV4, how would I do that?? I've tried with single quotes ' and double quotes " as well as no quotes at all, but I always get the same result, ie the state is set, which is weird.

Also, I have to second on that if I copy the Look, I wouldn't want it to copy the state. I messed up about 40 buttons that way, took me a fair while to get back to how it was earlier.. ;-)



//Jens

[esajesa]

Hi,

if I cut & paste into a frame, I'd like the objects on the frame's cordinates to be relative to the frame, not the whole page, like in Tonto. Could this be changed?

//Jens

[esajesa]

Sorry, I noticed they are.. But, when I cut and paste it keeps the coordinates of the old position, so the objects are often placed outside the frame before I move them. So I guess I was just being silly!!! ;-)

//Jens

[Wilhelm]

Hi Ben,

I just wanted to try the latest beta of NRD, unfortunately it says:

"The temporary key has expired...."

Did I miss something or is this a bug?
Thanks

Wilhelm

[Ben S]

if I want to use a state depending on a variable's string value, such as GBPVR.Channel is TV4, how would I do that?? I've tried with single quotes ' and double quotes " as well as no quotes at all, but I always get the same result, ie the state is set, which is weird.
You'd have to use lua state, something like


return (NetRemote.GetVariable('GBPVR.Channel') == 'TV4');



Also, I have to second on that if I copy the Look, I wouldn't want it to copy the state. I messed up about 40 buttons that way, took me a fair while to get back to how it was earlier.. ;-)

Okay, coming soon.

[Ben S]

I just wanted to try the latest beta of NRD, unfortunately it says:

"The temporary key has expired...."

Did I miss something or is this a bug?


Hi Wilhelm -
The beta trial key (as made available starting on July 22nd) is a 60 day trial key. After this time, you would need to purchase a key (available at a beta discount until beta is complete).

Once the final version is available, a new 30 day trial key will accompany it so a person can ensure all is working properly for them before purchasing.

[Wilhelm]

Hi Ben,

don't you think it's a bit strange to have to purchase a beta for being allowed to test it?
I think I'll have to wait until the final version is out.

Thanks

Wilhelm

[Jlee]

I don't think it's the case that you have to purchase the beta, more that you missed the period during which you could join the beta trial with 60 days free but you can still have a nice discount.

But I agree that it's unfortunate if some users who want to check out the new version of NR are caught in a sort of limbo period (i.e. prior to the official version) where you can't trial without a purchase.

However, in your case since you are a regular NR user with faith in the product I'd would have thought you would just dive in and buy. After all, you won't really be able to manage without it if you plan to use NR long term. It's also very good value for money at $20.

[esajesa]

You'd have to use lua state, something like


return (NetRemote.GetVariable('GBPVR.Channel') == 'TV4');


Hey Ben,

I do that now, but it'd be nice if you could use the variable and a string value as well, instead of having to do the lua thing. Any chance of getting that implemented??

[Ben S]

But I agree that it's unfortunate if some users who want to check out the new version of NR are caught in a sort of limbo period (i.e. prior to the official version) where you can't trial without a purchase.


A user can check out the new version of NRD without being in limbo. It is still a 60 day trial, but (like NetRemote), a new version does not reset the trial period. You have a 60 day trial window (from the day you first run NRD). This is effectively double our standard trial time due to the fact that it's a beta.

Once you go beyond 60 days, then you need to purchase a key.


don't you think it's a bit strange to have to purchase a beta for being allowed to test it

I understand your concern and thoughts, but we think that the designer is close enough to completion to be extremely useful as compared to Tonto, so decided to make licenses available now (and require them beyond 60 days). The purchase of a key makes it possible for us to continue providing the same great service to make sure every user is happy with our products.

[Ben S]

I do that now, but it'd be nice if you could use the variable and a string value as well, instead of having to do the lua thing. Any chance of getting that implemented??

Yes, this is on the list.

[Jlee]

A user can check out the new version of NRD without being in limbo. It is still a 60 day trial, but (like NetRemote), a new version does not reset the trial period. You have a 60 day trial window (from the day you first run NRD).

I mitakenly thought it was 60 days from the release date in July. Thanks for clarifying that and sorry for my misunderstanding. I purchased my key last weekend and appreciate the discount!

[Wilhelm]

Ben,

so what do I do when I want to check after more than 60 days, if it is working now as expected? (You know it didn't import my ccf correctly (at least the last one I tried didn't))

[Ben S]

Wilhelm - I'm still trying your ccf as part of my development, and appreciate your support.

Once the beta is finalized, you'll be able to try the final to make sure it works with your ccf. If it works, you can then purchase the designer at it's standard pricing (24.99).

JLee - Not a problem, I justed wanted to make sure it was clear.

[curtiswren]

I'm doing something like the following too:

You'd have to use lua state, something like

Code:

return (NetRemote.GetVariable('GBPVR.Channel') == 'TV4');



When the underlying variable changes, the image doesn't change right away. If I switch to a different app and come back to NR, the image gets updated. Is there someway I can tell a screen or button to refresh from a variable watch?

[Ben S]

Hi Curtis -
Are you doing something like this:


function CheckState()
return NetRemote.GetVariable('State') == '1';
end;


and then in the state area:


return CheckState();


If so, that won't "work" properly. NetRemote has to see the variable name to know what to watch properly.

[curtiswren]

I am doing something similar to that. The state of the button depends on what "Zone" I'm in. I guess I can just track the status for the current zone, and save that to a variable.