NetRemote 2 Release Candidate 1 - 2.0.0.84 [Archive]

Ben S

October 15th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Hello folks -

We're happy to make NetRemote 2 - Release Candidate 1 available for your download. As this is a release candidate, please beat on it and let the Promixis team know if any issues are still causing problems for you so that we may work quickly to resolve them.

Please see the previous thread here (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14711) for information about previous betas.

Please this thread http://promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15758 for pricing and licensing information

You may download it here
NetRemote 2 Suite (http://www.promixis.com/packages/NetRemote-Suite-2.0.0.84.exe).
NetRemote 2 (PPC Cab) (http://www.promixis.com/packages/NetRemote-2.0.0.84.cab).
NetRemote 2 (CE 4.2.net Cab) (http://www.promixis.com/packages/NetRemote-CE4.2-2.0.0.84.cab).

Previous Version ( 2.0.0.83 )
NetRemote 2 Suite (http://www.promixis.com/packages/NetRemote-Suite-2.0.0.83.exe).
NetRemote 2 (PPC Cab) (http://www.promixis.com/packages/NetRemote-2.0.0.83.cab).
NetRemote 2 (CE 4.2.net Cab) (http://www.promixis.com/packages/NetRemote-CE4.2-2.0.0.83.cab).

2.0.0.84 - Posted 13-Dec-2006
1. Added: Vista support to MediaBridge
2. Fixed: MediaBridge was not properly checking for MFC71u.dll on install
3. Fixed: AvidUtils text box not always updating properly when a variable changes
4. Fixed: NRBasic execute command not working properly
5. Fixed: Problem with MediaBridge locking up NetRemote on start in some cases
6. Fixed: Browser/Flash objects inaccessible after page jump to same page
7. Fixed: Covering a button used to open a popup with the popup should no longer cause flashing of popup or result in missing actions.
8. Fixed: IR Passthrough via Girder not working properly

2.0.0.83 - Posted 03-Dec-2006
1. Added - MediaBridge can now have a password. Set it in the properties of a MediaBridge plugin and in the settings panel in MediaBridge itself
2. Added - MediaBridge will now check the keys of NetRemote clients to ensure unique licenses (or whole home licenses)
3. Added - New way of handling Lua events that are more straightforward (NetRemote.SetEvent([event num],[function]) with the following events: Events.CCFLoaded, Events.CCFUnloaded, Events.COMRegistered, Events.COMUnregistered, Events.PageLoaded, Events.PageLoading
4. Added - EventsCompat.lua which will map new events (e.g. Events.CCFLoaded) to previous events (e.g. OnCCFLoad) for compatibility
5. Added - PanelLoading event (gets called before the panel is shown - note that the panel does not yet have the skin "Attached" so you can only change things in the panel itself). This allows you to move elements before the page is displayed
6. Added - Device manager lua files (for new G5 device manager)
7. Fixed - Many potential memory leaks and stability issues have been stressed tested, diagnoses, and removed, specifically with Girder and MediaBridge communication
8. Added - New MCE only interface installed on both Windows and PPC (but not set by default)
9. Added - New device manager interface installed on Windows
10. Removed - Use Ping to check state from MediaBridge (Deprecated by use of Keep Alives in client and server)
11. Added - New Flash plugin allowing you to embed flash movies without having to use NRBasic's COM functionality
12. Fixed - Problem with display of IR properties when no IR mode is selected
13. Fixed - Problem getting to direct IR properties (pressing configure button doesn't go anywhere)
14. Fixed - Problems with the embedded web browser displaying incorrectly
15. Changed - All references to NetRemote Pro, etc. have all been changed to "NetRemote 2".
16. Added - MediaBridge installer should figure out if you're running Vista or MCE2005 and install the correct files to control Media Center)

2.0.0.81 - Posted 02-Nov-2006
1. Fixed: Problem with loading elements using the <^> syntax in a state
2. Fixed: Problem with loading looped elements using "Plugin registered painting" (such as Marcel's dials)

2.0.0.80 - Posted 23-Oct-2006
1. Fixed: NR not respecting driver paint request (Marcel utils not having right backgrounds)
2. Fixed: NR not transforming strings properly for plugins (still using {{ }} syntax instead of new < >)
3. Fixed: Bomb when a closing bracket cannot be found in variable names for states
4. Fixed: Tests not using cached hosts, so failing to find them
5. Fixed: MediaBridge not using absolute paths for cache.mdb
6. Fixed: GoToURL not working in web browser plugin
7. Fixed: LX PLAYNEXT removing track when called on Playing Now
8. Fixed: LX PLAYFILENEXT messing up MediaBridge
9. Fixed: Problem with default CCFs in album browser using the wrong font, so not displaying add and play icons properly

2.0.0.79 - Posted 18-Oct-2006
1. Fixed: Problem with loops and previous formats that embedded the loop in the element name instead of in separate variables

2.0.0.78 - Posted 15-Oct-2006
1. Added: Support for getting information from MS-DVR files
2. Fixed: Year not working w/ WMP and MCE
3. Fixed: Some problems integrating with MCE (not hooking properly in some cases)
4. Added: Page jumps should be faster on PPC, due to higher performance graphics loading
5. Changed: Format for "bind at load variables" from {{ }} to < >
6. Added: Ability to get name of parent element using <^>
7. Added: Ability to get parent loop index using <^LoopIndex>
8. Changed: Changed look and feel for plugin properties
9. Added: Display of connection status directly in plugin properties
10. Added: Added tests for MediaBridge, IR, and Girder directly in plugin view
11. Fixed: Memory problems using web browser
12. Fixed: Memory leak when using Girder 3.3 mode
13. Changed: PPC installer no longer uses CEAPPMGR (as it no longer works with WM5)
14. Added: NetRemote will now cache responses to autodiscovery, so name can be used on WM5 for auto-discovered instances of Girder or MediaBridge
15. Added: PPC Installer will now set hardkeys by default
16. Changed: Registration is now unified (same keys on PPC and Windows)
17. Changed: PPC version no longer requires zlibce
18. Changed: PPC version no longer requires libpngce
19. Changed: New version of AvidUtils with a bug fix
20. Changed: New version of RAHAnimation supports some cool new animation effects (I'll let Rob explain)
21. Changed: Removed default radio stations from installer
22. Added: New plugin model which allows plugin to cross-communicate and will ensure that plugins remain version independent from here on out
23. Changed: Removed some excess logging from NetRemote
25. Changed: Made MediaBridge more of a component, allowing for potential future ability to run more than one bridge per server, or to embed this into Girder
26. Fixed: Use of < > now uses properly depth (so <<A>> when A = B and B = C will make <<A>> = <B> = C
27. Fixed: Removed duplicate call to GoURL during browser creation
28. Fixed: Issue using EQ bands with multiple zones
29. Added: Zone change button to 240x320 interface (Similar to 480x640 interface).
30. Added: Uninstalling NetRemote will properly remove it from starting on device power up

2.0.0.76 - Posted 06-Aug-2006
1. Fixed - Problem where adding a playlist would bomb NetRemote if "Use Add To Playlist" not selected.
2. Fixed - "Add To Playlist" would only send first letter of playlist name
3. Fixed - Adding to playlist wouldn't use tree structure (Would only add immediate files under the current level) when using J. River Media Center
4. Fixed - Focus problem when starting J River Media Center from MediaBridge
5. Fixed - MediaBridge not killing the J River Media Center process properly
6. Fixed - Logging of unmonitoring variable not emitted properly, previously.
7. Fixed - Problem with vertical slider on state frame not being created properly
8. Fixed - State frame not checking background color of all states to decide to be a popup window or not.
9. Added - Windows CE version now supports setting text and background color for queue and search results
10. Added - Lua code to enable / disable wireless power

NetRemote.GetNetwork().SetWirelessPower(true | false);
2.0.0.75 - Posted 24-Jul-2006
1. Fixed - Unregister of variable watch causing memory corruption
2. Fixed - Use of lua in frame state using wrong event handler, effectively crashing NetRemote
3. Fixed - PPC should now show version number properly
4. Fixed - JRMC should now properly support discrete zone mixers again

peterjwhite

October 15th, 2006, 07:35 PM

Hi Ben,

NR 2.0.0.78 fixes one small bug that I noticed in 2.0.0.76, but it has fatal errors connecting with the new MediaBridge on my PC! The following two scenarios are repeatable on my PC:

Scenario A. MediaBridge _not_ loaded. NR 2.0.0.78 loads ok on both PC and PPC (and this is where the bug in 2.0.0.76 showed itself: mishandling of MP.LinkActive=null state is not handled ok). Then start MediaBridge and NR 2.0.0.78 crashes inexplicably on both PC and PPC!

Scenario B. MediaBridge _is_ loaded. NR 2.0.0.78 loads on PC and runs for anywhere from seconds to a minute before crashing with error msg "Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library. Runtime error! ... This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for more information." NR 2.0.0.78 loads on PPC and runs for about 5-10 seconds and then crashes/disappears without error message!

In both cases I'm using my new PocketiTunes R3 CCF that I've posted on the skins page.

peterjwhite

October 15th, 2006, 07:45 PM

gbumgard

October 15th, 2006, 08:48 PM

peterjwhite,

I can replicate both errors you get when starting MediaBridge before or after your ccf is loaded.

Yours is the first .ccf I've seen so far that produced this error.

-g.b.

danward79

October 15th, 2006, 09:08 PM

Hi Ben,

I can confirm, my web browser is back up and running now, as is the G3.3 instance of the girder plugin. I will let you know if I see any issues with it.

The page loading is quite an improvement for me also.

:)

gbumgard

October 15th, 2006, 09:12 PM

Peter,

It looks like I may be responsible for introducing an error into the NR code that is causing the problems for your .ccf. I'm currently testing a fix and will let Ben know ASAP.

[update]
Hmmm, there's something else wrong here. I can only reproduce this error with Peter's .ccf. It doesn't occur on four others I've tried. I no longer claim to have broken this !:)

-g.b.

theguywiththefunnyhair

October 16th, 2006, 12:47 AM

peterjwhite

October 16th, 2006, 06:02 AM

MeSue

October 16th, 2006, 07:46 AM

Does it work with JRMC 12?

danward79

October 16th, 2006, 08:34 AM

IR Properties seems to have a button adrift!

danward79

October 16th, 2006, 11:12 AM

Ben,

Should the test betton work for g3 instances in the plugin settings?

Rob H

October 16th, 2006, 12:47 PM

5. Changed: Format for "bind at load variables" from {{ }} to < >
6. Added: Ability to get name of parent element using <^>
7. Added: Ability to get parent loop index using <^LoopIndex>
I just thought I should highlight these three changes, and point out the power that they give you, particularly in combination with the Lua event action introduced in 2.0.0.76

This pretty much provides you with the ability to create reusable components whose names, state rules and Lua actions (and possibly some other actions) can be based on a parent's name e.g. of the containing frame

For example a CCF I'm working on supports HVAC and has cool and heat settings on the thermostat. I'll try to represent the structure of one of these set points in text to illustrate the point.

Here's the frame for the Cool setpoint

Cool -- containing frame
<^^>\<^> -- a frame - appends the \Cool from the parent to the parent's parent's name
<^^> -- displays the title 'Cool'
{<^>} {<^>.UnitsShort} -- displays the cool temperature and the units
<^>:+ -- increase button with a Lua event action of DM.AutoRepeat
<^>:- -- decrease button with a Lua event action of DM.AutoRepeat

Suppose this is in a containing frame with the name 'Office' - when this page is loaded this frame will then become :-

Office\Cool
Cool
{Office\Cool} {Office\Cool.UnitsShort}
Office\Cool:+
Office\Cool:-

The heat setpoint is identical except the containing frame has the name Heat.

In actual fact, these two frames are part of a whole set of frames that are, in turn, contained in a loop frame. The naming is all done automatically when the page is loaded.

It's pretty tricky to describe this, but I hope the above example gives you an idea of how things work. I'll try to post a CCF that illustrates the power of this approach to naming sometime soon.

mhwlng

October 16th, 2006, 01:20 PM

There may be an issue with 2.0.0.78 and Marcel Utils

I am currently travelling for the next 2 weeks.

So, I'm not in a position to test anything at the moment.

Ben : is a new API required or has something changed ?

Marcel

Ben S

October 16th, 2006, 01:28 PM

Hi,
There may be an issue with 2.0.0.78 and Marcel Utils, where i have labels drawn on top of regular button, the button image is not showing. The button is there it just has no image. The image is showing up just fine in NRD.
cheers

Did this work fine with 76? The API (though changed) should be compatible with rev 76 plugins.

Does it work with JRMC 12?
Not specifically yet, MeSue. It's on my short list for next release.

Any tips for how/where I can even begin to debug this? My CCF works on the old NR 1.x and on NR 2.0.0.76 beta, only 2.0.0.78 is killing it :(
Looks like Greg and I need to step through this together to see what's going awry.

IR Properties seems to have a button adrift!
It looks like you don't have a mode selected. When you select a mode does it "correct" itself?

Ben S

October 16th, 2006, 01:29 PM

Should the test betton work for g3 instances in the plugin settings?

No, it should actually be disabled (but I notice it's not working here). The test will only work with G4.

theguywiththefunnyhair

October 16th, 2006, 02:45 PM

Did this work fine with 76? The API (though changed) should be compatible with rev 76 plugins.

No problems with 2.0.0.76

gbumgard

October 16th, 2006, 03:11 PM

Hi Ben, g.b.,

Any tips for how/where I can even begin to debug this? My CCF works on the old NR 1.x and on NR 2.0.0.76 beta, only 2.0.0.78 is killing it :(

Peter,
I think I've found one reason your .ccf is causing NR problems. Your lua code is making GAC:request() calls prior to a connection being established. This is causing problems for NR. I do not know if this was a recent change made to NR, but it does need to be looked at.

You can workaround it by testing for MP.LinkActive in your OnMPHostChanged, OnPanelLoad, etc. functions to determine whether you can make the call to GAC:request().

-g.b.

tmorten

October 16th, 2006, 04:37 PM

I feel like this might just be a me thing, but NR2 has been crashing on launch for me on PC for quite some time, and this new version is no different. This time I put some effort into trying to get it to work...

1. Uninstalled the old NR (.76, which had the same issue for me)
2. Renamed its directory
3. Manually wiped the registry entries
4. Tried using XP compatibility mode for the app

I'm running on Sever 2003. The NR load screen doesn't even appear... I get the arrow w/hourglass, and then shortly thereafter, nada.

Some kind of configuration problem on my end? Bad MFC DLL's perhaps?

UPDATE: Installed on my Vista machine, which then said NR failed to start because MFC71.dll wasn't found. I noted that MFC71U.dll was downloaded during installation, but NOT plain old MFC71.dll. I'll try putting both DLL's on my Server 2003 machine, and see if that does the trick.

UPDATE #2: Yup, that was the problem. Both DLL's (MFC71.dll and MFC71u.dll) were missing from the installation on the Server 2003 machine. Copying those over did the trick. Adding the single missing DLL (MFC71.dll) also enabled NR to run on my Vista machine.

gbumgard

October 16th, 2006, 06:13 PM

Hi Ben,

While NR is working on PC (I can't do this on PPC owing to error above), if I open my GAC album covers page, only the first of the 9 album covers per page display. The remaining 8 all show blank. As I page up / page down, the first of the 9 covers for each page refreshes and displays but all other 8 are blank.

Peter,

Your .ccf will display album covers correctly in NR 2.0.0.78 if you save your .ccf using 1.1 format (right-click system->properties).

I've tested your .ccf in 2.0.0.76 and it does work as it should. I have been unable to get the old method of looping (v1.0) to work in 2.0.0.78 (e.g. <LOOP,3,3,1,1,1>). I'm still trying to track down the problem. Perhaps Ben might have some idea why.

-g.b.

nurowolf

October 16th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Just wanted to quickly check - before I update my Tablet PC. The new single install supports WIN CE 4.2? I ask as we use to have a seperate install for this and don't want to hurt a functioning environment.

danward79

October 16th, 2006, 08:52 PM

It looks like you don't have a mode selected. When you select a mode does it "correct" itself?

Yeah, it does, it just looks odd!

Mastiff

October 16th, 2006, 10:35 PM

UPDATE #2: Yup, that was the problem. Both DLL's (MFC71.dll and MFC71u.dll) were missing from the installation on the Server 2003 machine. Copying those over did the trick. Adding the single missing DLL (MFC71.dll) also enabled NR to run on my Vista machine.

I have found the same thing when installing on three "virgin" computers the last week (a few of the PC's in the house were too old, with SP1 upgraded to SP2, so I got them up to a slipstreamed SP2). You can't get it to work without MFC71.dll, and the installation program does not download that.

jolly1

October 17th, 2006, 06:40 AM

Hi I installed the netremote whole house pro version. My Previous version was 2.0.0.76. Started new version and came up as not regisered. Tried enter the orginal key message Key Not Valid. Aloso netremote designer seemed to hang up started to open, nut only window title and rest of the screen Blue.
Uninstalled the 2.0.0.78 and re-install 2.0.0.76 evrything Ok

Mastiff

October 17th, 2006, 07:04 AM

This seems to be CCF dependant. If I have one of my CCF's loaded in NetRemote when I fire Designer, it works. If I have the standard new-pro_480x640.ccf Designer just shows the splash screen and stops there. I had no problems on 76 with this. And the CCF I have managed to load without any problems is not a simple one.

peterjwhite

October 17th, 2006, 03:37 PM

Peter,
I think I've found one reason your .ccf is causing NR problems. Your lua code is making GAC:request() calls prior to a connection being established. This is causing problems for NR. I do not know if this was a recent change made to NR, but it does need to be looked at.

You can workaround it by testing for MP.LinkActive in your OnMPHostChanged, OnPanelLoad, etc. functions to determine whether you can make the call to GAC:request().

-g.b.
Thanks for the tip. I was doing that in the hope it would accelerate album cover loading, i.e. so that by the time the user navigated to the album covers page the first page of data would be initialised. I'll try to make a clean GAC+ implementation.

peterjwhite

October 17th, 2006, 03:39 PM

Your .ccf will display album covers correctly in NR 2.0.0.78 if you save your .ccf using 1.1 format (right-click system->properties).

I've tested your .ccf in 2.0.0.76 and it does work as it should. I have been unable to get the old method of looping (v1.0) to work in 2.0.0.78 (e.g. <LOOP,3,3,1,1,1>). I'm still trying to track down the problem. Perhaps Ben might have some idea why.

I'll give that a try, but will NR 1.1.0.44 also be able to load a 1.1 format CCF?

dsmes

October 17th, 2006, 04:26 PM

I'll give that a try, but will NR 1.1.0.44 also be able to load a 1.1 format CCF?Nope. But is OK w/ 1.0 format.

peterjwhite

October 17th, 2006, 06:08 PM

Nope. But is OK w/ 1.0 format.
In that case I'll wait until the bugs are fixed in 2.0.0.78 such that it can load a CCF 1.0 in the same way that 2.0.0.76 could.

peterjwhite

October 18th, 2006, 04:46 AM

Peter,
I think I've found one reason your .ccf is causing NR problems. Your lua code is making GAC:request() calls prior to a connection being established.
Hi Ben,

g.b. was correct and it was the early call to GAC:request() that caused NR2.0.0.78 to crash on open on PPC and caused an instability on WinPC that would take seconds to minutes to crash. Note that this only happened if MB was already running on the server, and it was not a problem with any previous release of NR up to and including 2.0.0.76.

I've removed the early reference to GAC:request() in version R3A of my skin, but another problem in NR 2.0.0.78 remains: only the first of the nine album covers on any GAC+ cover page would display on my PC. This occurs with my skin saved as CCF 1.0. I tried saving as a CCF 1.1 file as per g.b.'s later advice but on my system instead of seeing all nine covers, or even one, I saw _no_ covers when saving as a 1.1 file. Note that this was not a problem with any previous release of NR up to and including 2.0.0.76.

Ben S

October 18th, 2006, 06:05 PM

I have found the same thing when installing on three "virgin" computers the last week (a few of the PC's in the house were too old, with SP1 upgraded to SP2, so I got them up to a slipstreamed SP2). You can't get it to work without MFC71.dll, and the installation program does not download that.
We'll need to investigate which plugin(s) are dependent on MFC71.dll and correct them. Everything -should- be using MFC71u.dll.

Hi I installed the netremote whole house pro version. My Previous version was 2.0.0.76. Started new version and came up as not regisered. Tried enter the orginal key message Key Not Valid. Aloso netremote designer seemed to hang up started to open, nut only window title and rest of the screen Blue.
Uninstalled the 2.0.0.78 and re-install 2.0.0.76 evrything Ok
When 2.0.0.78 does it say your copy has expired, or that it's in demo mode (30 days remaining)? The key system has changed, and we're working on getting everyone new keys right away.

If I have the standard new-pro_480x640.ccf Designer just shows the splash screen and stops there. I had no problems on 76 with this. And the CCF I have managed to load without any problems is not a simple one.
I'm about to upload a new version of NRD which will load it. Right now the new-pro ccf is _newer_ than your current version of NRD understands.

I'll give that a try, but will NR 1.1.0.44 also be able to load a 1.1 format CCF?
No.

In that case I'll wait until the bugs are fixed in 2.0.0.78 such that it can load a CCF 1.0 in the same way that 2.0.0.76 could.
Uploading a new version that will load 1.0 CCF's the same. Apologies for the problem.

only the first of the nine album covers on any GAC+ cover page would display on my PC. This occurs with my skin saved as CCF 1.0. I tried saving as a CCF 1.1 file as per g.b.'s later advice but on my system instead of seeing all nine covers, or even one, I saw _no_ covers when saving as a 1.1 file.
The problem is definitely a problem with 1.0 CCFs and the new <^> format throwing the <LOOP> off. I'm uploading a new version that will correct this. But seeing no covers with 1.1 is weird. Can you send me the resulting CCF?

Ben S

October 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM

I feel like this might just be a me thing, but NR2 has been crashing on launch for me on PC for quite some time, and this new version is no different. This time I put some effort into trying to get it to work...

Does this mean it's stable now, Tim, or just that it now runs?

Just wanted to quickly check - before I update my Tablet PC. The new single install supports WIN CE 4.2? I ask as we use to have a seperate install for this and don't want to hurt a functioning environment.
We're putting the CE 4.2 installer together now. We held this back because we haven't completed testing the 4.2 version yet.

Ben S

October 18th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Hi folks - Just uploaded build 79, which has the loop issue fixed with 1.0 format files.

We're looking into the other issues, but this one was absolutely critical so we made this a high priority fix.

Ben S

October 18th, 2006, 07:24 PM

Also, just uploaded a new build of NRD which allows for the use of the new higher performance file format.

Ben S

October 18th, 2006, 08:30 PM

We've just sent out new keys to anyone who has purchased NetRemote 2. If you did not receive a key and believe you should have, please email or pm me.

peterjwhite

October 19th, 2006, 06:59 AM

The problem is definitely a problem with 1.0 CCFs and the new <^> format throwing the <LOOP> off. I'm uploading a new version that will correct this. But seeing no covers with 1.1 is weird. Can you send me the resulting CCF?

Hi Ben,

I can attest that NR 2.0.0.79 fixes the GAC problem with 1.0 CCFs. I've been making and saving quite a few small changes to my CCF over the past couple of days and can't replicate the 1.1 CCF no album album cover situation. Maybe it was just a temporary glitch owing to all the installing and uninstalling I was doing.

The problem still remains however that if I launch NR before MB I will get the Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library error some time after MB launches.

Another problem is with the "Color Schemes" in the recent NR Designers... each time I save my CCF the text and background colours of some (but not all) elements changes at random. For example, my CCF is almost universally Black or White text on transparent background, but often after saving using NR Designer and loading in NR I will find elements popping up with with red or magenta backgrounds and/or blue text. I don't know if the bug is in the way Designer saves CCFs or in the way NR loads them. It would help if color scheme could be deleted and Ctrl-A was available to select all items on a panel or all items on all panels and apply a new color scheme.

tmorten

October 19th, 2006, 01:21 PM

I created a minimal version of my CCF that crashes... just click the "Lights" button, and it jumps to a page that brings down NetRemote on PC and PPC.

Cheers,
Tim

Ginsonic

October 19th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Hi Guys,

I just downloaded new NR and NRD, nice work again, thanks !

But I have one question regarding updated "RAHAnimation.lua". In its description the new function "SlideAuto" is described to replace function "OpenOrClose".
Until now I used two buttons with OpenOrClose('Frame'), one in the outer frame to open and one inside the sliding frame to close a frame. How can I do so now using "SlideAuto" ? I tried, but neither the open nor the close button worked.

Thanks for Your help !

Rob H

October 20th, 2006, 12:04 AM

Ben S

October 21st, 2006, 03:24 AM

Ben : is a new API required or has something changed ?

Something changed (bug wise). It's been fixed and will be in the next release.

Ben S

October 21st, 2006, 03:26 AM

Another problem is with the "Color Schemes" in the recent NR Designers... each time I save my CCF the text and background colours of some (but not all) elements changes at random. For example, my CCF is almost universally Black or White text on transparent background, but often after saving using NR Designer and loading in NR I will find elements popping up with with red or magenta backgrounds and/or blue text. I don't know if the bug is in the way Designer saves CCFs or in the way NR loads them. It would help if color scheme could be deleted and Ctrl-A was available to select all items on a panel or all items on all panels and apply a new color scheme.

Peter - is this with 1.0 CCFs where you are having the color scheme issue? You aren't (by any chance) working in 1.1 format and then converting back to 1.0, are you?

danward79

October 21st, 2006, 08:22 AM

I seem to be seeing my nr on ppc shut down before NR has started, looks like an error in a script.

I attach the log, it says

17:04:12.277538] Girder] [string "Girder"]:1348: attempt to index global `DM' (a nil value)
On the last line.

Any ideas?

Rob H

October 21st, 2006, 08:51 AM

Ah, that will be a problem with the DM's ConnectionManager.lua in the version of the DM that you have running. Simplest thing is to edit the SendDeviceUpdate function there - you should see something like

local cmd = cmd .. "DM.DeviceUpdate(devices, '"..host.."')\r\n"

Change it to

local cmd = cmd .. "_ = DM and DM.DeviceUpdate(devices, '"..host.."')\r\n"

Although it shouldn't be causing NR to crash.

danward79

October 21st, 2006, 09:09 AM

Nearest match I have is

local cmd = cmd .. "Protect(DM.DeviceUpdate, devices, '"..host.."')\r\n"

Is that the one?

danward79

October 21st, 2006, 10:04 AM

Thanks Rob, Changing the line to

local cmd = cmd .. "_ = DM and Protect(DM.DeviceUpdate, devices, '"..host.."')\r\n"

Worked

danward79

October 21st, 2006, 10:39 AM

Thanks Rob, Changing the line to

Worked

Whoops spoke to soon, still seems to be failing

I attached the log it seems to be different now thou.

Rob H

October 21st, 2006, 11:20 AM

Hmm... looks like it's not DeviceManager related. However, try commenting out the body of SendDeviceUpdates in ConnectionManager.lua and reset Girder.

Then try NR on the PPC and see if you still have the problem.

danward79

October 21st, 2006, 12:18 PM

Ben S

October 21st, 2006, 12:33 PM

I created a minimal version of my CCF that crashes... just click the "Lights" button, and it jumps to a page that brings down NetRemote on PC and PPC.

I've made it not bomb, but this little bit won't always work the way you expect.

What's happening is that NetRemote is attempting to hook a variable to monitor for state by looking for a call to NetRemote.GetVariable() assuming that it's going to use a string literal. This is on the list to change, as it's a bit of a naive approach.

The following will fix it (for now) and make NetRemote happier, but still not totally happy as it's only going to monitor the first variable.

var houseCode = NetRemote.GetVariable( 'iHouseCode' );
if ( NetRemote.GetVariable( 'x10_Descriptions['..houseCode..'][<LoopIndex>]') == "" ) then
return 0;
else
return 1;
end;

Does iHouseCode change while you're on the page, or only when going to the page? If only when going to the page, the following would work ...

if ( NetRemote.GetVariable( 'x10_Descriptions[<iHouseCode>][<LoopIndex>]') == "" ) then
return 0;
else
return 1;
end;

As iHouseCode would get replaced with the value of iHouseCode on page load, so the variable (to NetRemote) would look like "x10_Descriptions[Main][0]" if iHouseCode = 'Main' and it's the first item.

emmee

October 21st, 2006, 12:53 PM

The link to the .79 PPC CAB points to the .78 version....

Ben S

October 21st, 2006, 12:55 PM

The link to the .79 PPC CAB points to the .78 version....
Fixed. Sorry about that.

Rob H

October 21st, 2006, 01:12 PM

Done that seems to be ok at the moment.

What should i try next to narrow it down further

Okay, it's possible that there's a problem with RunLua on the PPC in that case.

In the Lua console in Girder try something like

NetRemote.RunLua([[NetRemote.GoHome('Home')]])

and see if that causes a problem.

You can also try varying the code that's run using RunLua. Perhaps there's a problem with the length of the buffer, so the DM's use of pickle is generating too much code for the PPC to handle.

tmorten

October 21st, 2006, 03:26 PM

Does iHouseCode change while you're on the page, or only when going to the page? If only when going to the page, the following would work ...
It only changes going to the page, so that'll hold me over. Many thanks!

Cheers,
Tim

PS - I've been getting periodic states where NR doesn't think Girder is G4... didn't happen before this build. I'll try to nail down what triggers it. Didn't happen tonight, so maybe it was just a bad system state.

peterjwhite

October 21st, 2006, 04:26 PM

Peter - is this with 1.0 CCFs where you are having the color scheme issue? You aren't (by any chance) working in 1.1 format and then converting back to 1.0, are you?
Hi Ben, I've been working in 1.0 all the way. In fact I wasn't even aware of 1.1 until g.b. suggested I try it a couple of days ago - I saved a temporary 1.1 version and deleted it when it didn't work. I'll stick to 1.0 if possible so people with NR 1.x can use my skin.

Barf

October 22nd, 2006, 02:07 AM

When I upgraded from 2.0.0.76 to 2.0.0.78 (WinCE) and 2.0.0.79 (PC) the Go To URL-Action of the WEB Browser stopped working. Both WinCE 4.2 and XT. Any hints?

Ben S

October 22nd, 2006, 05:28 AM

It only changes going to the page, so that'll hold me over. Many thanks!
No problem.

PS - I've been getting periodic states where NR doesn't think Girder is G4... didn't happen before this build. I'll try to nail down what triggers it. Didn't happen tonight, so maybe it was just a bad system state.
Okay, please let us no.

Hi Ben, I've been working in 1.0 all the way. In fact I wasn't even aware of 1.1 until g.b. suggested I try it a couple of days ago - I saved a temporary 1.1 version and deleted it when it didn't work. I'll stick to 1.0 if possible so people with NR 1.x can use my skin.
Okay. Note that 1.1 gives you some nice new things that you might enjoy (At some point) - full color selection, animated graphics, text padding, full font selection, and more.

When I upgraded from 2.0.0.76 to 2.0.0.78 (WinCE) and 2.0.0.79 (PC) the Go To URL-Action of the WEB Browser stopped working. Both WinCE 4.2 and XT. Any hints?
This seems to work here, Barf. Is this with the default CCF or a custom one? If custom, can you send it to me?

danward79

October 22nd, 2006, 05:43 AM

Ben,

With respect to the Girder Passthrough on the IR plugin. Would it be possible to specify a girder client to use?

At the moment it only connects to the first one.

Ben S

October 22nd, 2006, 05:53 AM

Actually, it should connect to the "current instance". But sure, this makes sense. Then you could have IR instances that connect to different girder instances automatically.

Barf

October 22nd, 2006, 07:37 AM

This seems to work here, Barf. Is this with the default CCF or a custom one? If custom, can you send it to me?

As far as I can see, the default CCF file does not use Webbrowser::Go to URL, but NRBasic::Ser Variable to Value(<browsername>.URL). And, surprise, this works, also for me. (On my WinCE 4.2 it "only" bombs occasionally, Exception 0xC0000005, Address: 0012A018 (2.0.0.78)).

Is WebBrowser::Go To URL really working??

Ginsonic

October 22nd, 2006, 08:23 AM

emmee

October 22nd, 2006, 10:47 AM

So I've been playing with the .79 release for a couple of hours and it seems pretty solid. A couple of things I noticed:

1) The MP.LinkActive response seems much better than in .76. It's still a bit slower than I'd like on the PPC, but I haven't seen it not respond like it did before.

2) On the PPC, setting the host by name instead of by IP address works fine. But if I try to test the connection under MB properties it says it can't conect. Using the server's IP address in the MB properties dialog makes the test pass.

I'm using a Dell Aim X51v....

tmorten

October 22nd, 2006, 10:55 AM

I'm continuing to sporadically get the following message when I start up on PPC (using an Axim x51v):

---------------------------
Warning
---------------------------
The girder plugin can connect to a server, but the server does not appear to be utilizing the Girder 4 protocol. Please double check that the correct version of Girder has been configured in the plugin properties.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

At the point when this message appears, I'm already connected to Girder, and I've received a number of NR variables from Girder. I note that there are still some variables pending however.

Also, if I simultaneously have a NR session running on PC, I see the same messge pop-up there, even though that session is properly connected and has been running for hours.

I only started seeing this with .78 -- any ideas?

Thanks,
Tim

UPDATE: I believe this was a result of having a 2nd (unnecessary) instance of the Girder plug-in running.

tmorten

October 22nd, 2006, 12:07 PM

Is there anything special to take advantage of the speed improvement on PPC? I pulled down the latest NRD, resaved my CCF, and installed .79 on the PPC, but I'm not noticing any difference. Does it matter whether I use the 1.0 or the 1.1 file formats? Are there any special flags to set?

On a seperate note, LinkActive is now working great for MediaBridge, but still stays set for Girder on power up even though WiFi hasn't come on-line yet on PPC.

Thanks for all the improvments; in general it's looking great!

Best,
Tim

Ben S

October 23rd, 2006, 03:58 PM

You'll definitely need to use the 1.1 format to see a difference. You'll also need to have build 78 or newer on the Windows box you're running NRD from.

Ben S

October 23rd, 2006, 04:14 PM

Is WebBrowser::Go To URL really working??
Fixed in the next build.

1) The MP.LinkActive response seems much better than in .76. It's still a bit slower than I'd like on the PPC, but I haven't seen it not respond like it did before.

We're continuing to investigate this

But if I try to test the connection under MB properties it says it can't conect. Using the server's IP address in the MB properties dialog makes the test pass.

Fixed in the next build.

tmorten

October 23rd, 2006, 05:13 PM

You'll definitely need to use the 1.1 format to see a difference. You'll also need to have build 78 or newer on the Windows box you're running NRD from.
Hmm... I created a 1.1 version of my CCF while running .79 on my PC, and loaded it into .79 on my PPC, but the speed is the same. Is there any way I can verify that my file contains the optimized assets? I was expecting the CCF to grow, but it's basically the same size...

Cheers,
Tim

Ben S

October 23rd, 2006, 05:23 PM

The file size is about the same size, as it's just storing the data differently. It used to manipulate a lot of bits while loading images on the PPC, now the images are stored in the correct byte order and premultiplied for alpha. If it's using the new format, it's using the new images, but it does seem strange that you're seeing -no- speed improvement.

peterjwhite

October 24th, 2006, 06:26 AM

Hi Ben, on my system stability seems to have gone backwards since the .76 release. I downloaded NR .80 today and it only loads my CCF on PC if MB is not present. If NR is up before MB loads then it simply crashes without warning when MB loads. If MB is up before NR loads then I see a Visual C++ error before NR crashes.

Another problem is that the .79 and .80 releases display the MJB List controls on my Library and Playlist pages as translucent red/magenta instead of white (when MB is not present). If I load the exact same CCF with NR 1.1.0.44 the colours are fine, so it's a problem in NR 2.

BTW What is the trial expiry on the latest NRD? I've switched back to using Tonto because my NRD trial has expired. Could switching between the two editors somehow be corrupting my 1.0 CCF?

peterjwhite

October 24th, 2006, 06:44 AM

Hi Ben, further to above, NR .80 with my CCF behaves differently on PC and PPC. If NR is running on PPC when MB loads on PC then NR on PPC will crash without warning. If MB is running PC when NR loads on PPC then two client instances with the IP address of the PPC appear in MB! This creates a conflict that causes music to play backwards when a track slider is visible on the PPC (I think the delay between the two instances causes the track slider to keep stepping backwards in a kind of feedback loop).

On the colour issue, with MB unloaded, the MJB control displays in red on PC but in white on PPC, i.e. the NR .80 releases for PC and PPC load my CCF differently.

tmorten

October 24th, 2006, 07:12 AM

If it's using the new format, it's using the new images, but it does seem strange that you're seeing -no- speed improvement.
My simplest pages take ~1 sec to jump between. More complicated pages take up to ~4 sec to jump between. I'll put together a tester CCF, and see if I can use NR timers to post some concrete times to the screen so that there's an objective test.

Mastiff

October 24th, 2006, 01:18 PM

Still needs MFC71.dll, but you probably knew that, right?

gbumgard

October 24th, 2006, 01:51 PM

Peter,

Have you changed your CCF since your last upload? If so can you post or e-mail me your latest version so I can verify these problems? Meanwhile I'll see if I can replicate these problems with the version I already have.

Have you tried saving your CCF using the 1.1 format?

Hi Ben, further to above, NR .80 with my CCF behaves differently on PC and PPC. If NR is running on PPC when MB loads on PC then NR on PPC will crash without warning. If MB is running PC when NR loads on PPC then two client instances with the IP address of the PPC appear in MB! This creates a conflict that causes music to play backwards when a track slider is visible on the PPC (I think the delay between the two instances causes the track slider to keep stepping backwards in a kind of feedback loop).

On the colour issue, with MB unloaded, the MJB control displays in red on PC but in white on PPC, i.e. the NR .80 releases for PC and PPC load my CCF differently.

-Greg B.

gbumgard

October 24th, 2006, 02:17 PM

Peter,

Is the color problem a lack of saturation? On my PPC, the colors appear correct, but not with the level of color saturation as on the PC (red does seem to be the worst).

I've tried your CCF using both 1.0 and 1.1 formats. It does not render correctly for me when using 1.0 format. It does for 1.1.

I've not been able to reproduce the NR<->MB problem. I don't get a crash, and I don't see two client instances in MB, so something strange is happening there.

I'm running your .CCF in code that may differ from the .80 release, so I can't be sure that it would work in .80 though. I'll need to check to see if this is a problem that has already been fixed but not rolled into the latest release.

-g.b.

emmee

October 24th, 2006, 04:17 PM

A couple of positive feedback items:

- Host settting by name on the PPC now works fully in build .80.

- On my WM5 PPC, NR recovery after loss of WiFi connection or suspend (power-down) seems to be much improved in the last couple of builds. In previous builds NR didn't seem to restart without hitting a button or two. Now it starts back up quickly and reliably. This wasn't mentioned in the release notes, so I hope it's intentional. Either way, great work!

Ben S

October 25th, 2006, 07:30 PM

I've tried your CCF using both 1.0 and 1.1 formats. It does not render correctly for me when using 1.0 format. It does for 1.1.

I have found an issue when using NRD to downgrade the file format from 1.1 to 1.0 where it will effectively wipe out transparent backgrounds. I have uploaded a fix to NRD, though this will not correct CCFs that have already been modified in this way.

Is that what you're seeing?

Ben S

October 25th, 2006, 07:34 PM

Ben S

October 25th, 2006, 07:35 PM

peterjwhite

October 26th, 2006, 03:59 AM

Is the color problem a lack of saturation? On my PPC, the colors appear correct, but not with the level of color saturation as on the PC (red does seem to be the worst).

Are you saying that your believe the PPC's display is off a bit, or that the PPC version of NetRemote is rendering colors differently?

Hi Ben, g.b.,

It was nothing to do with color saturation. Do you remember how in Tonto deep red was used by default to indicate transparency? What was happening on PC (both NR1.x and NR2.x) was that the deep red on the Active Unselected state of MJB List boxes was being rendered as deep red instead of being ignored as transparent. Conversely, on PPC (again, both NR1.x and NR2.x) rendered it as white (neither red nor transparent?!).

Screenshots below demonstrate the four different renderings of the same CCF file (NR1...44 on PC, NR1...44 on PPC, NR2...80 on PC and NR2...80 on PPC). All were captured while MB was not running, because MB is currently causing NR to crash on my system.

My NRD trial has expired so I've switched back to using Tonto as my CCF editor and my workaround has been to make the Active Unselected state of MJB List boxes simply black text on white background (no transparency). I'll upload the latest version as PocketiTunes 3D. I prefer to keep using 1.0 CCF because I'm yet to see any benefit in paying for new license for NR 2.x :(

My conclusion is that (1) the PC and PPC rendering engines are quite different, (2) transitioning my CCF from Tonto + NR1.x to NRD + NR2.x has corrupted my CCF :( Any comments Ben? Especially how I can clean my 1.0 CCF so that it renders transparency consistently? And what is causing NR to crash and burn so frequently? Bug in my LUA code or bad references in my CCF? Why should it only happen when MB is active?

peterjwhite

October 26th, 2006, 04:14 AM

I've not been able to reproduce the NR<->MB problem. I don't get a crash, and I don't see two client instances in MB, so something strange is happening there.

At one point this afternoon a single instance of NR on my PC was listed as three instances with the same IP address in the MB window, in the seconds before NR crashed and burned. You can imagine how frustrating it is for me because it's something I can't bebug :(

Ben S

October 28th, 2006, 10:57 AM

(2) transitioning my CCF from Tonto + NR1.x to NRD + NR2.x has corrupted my CCF :( Any comments Ben? Especially how I can clean my 1.0 CCF so that it renders transparency consistently? And what is causing NR to crash and burn so frequently? Bug in my LUA code or bad references in my CCF? Why should it only happen when MB is active?

Hi Peter -
There appears to have been a bug in handling transparency with NRD 1.0 format when saved from a new(er) version of NRD. It's been fixed and uploaded in the past few days. Sorry for the hiccup.

At one point this afternoon a single instance of NR on my PC was listed as three instances with the same IP address in the MB window, in the seconds before NR crashed and burned. You can imagine how frustrating it is for me because it's something I can't bebug :(
We're going to have to keep investigating. Greg has been trying with your CCF and has been having trouble replicating the issue. How many total servers do you have, and what version of MediaBridge is each running?

tmorten

October 28th, 2006, 12:06 PM

Dunno if it's a fluke, but I exited MB with NR running on the same PC, and NR suffered some visual corruption (wrong/distored graphics, noise displayed in some panes, etc). Relaunching NR cleared it up.

Peter, sorry to hear of your troubles... there are still bugs to work out, but I think NR2/NRD will be great when they're done :). Hang in there!

Speaking of NRD, I'm seeing particularly long delays bringing up the color scheme selector for my CCF. Might be unique to my CCF; I haven't experimented with other CCF's lately.

Best,
Tim

Ben S

October 29th, 2006, 06:45 PM

Are there a ton of color schemes, Tim? Can you send me your latest and I'll see if it happens here, also?

peterjwhite

October 29th, 2006, 11:15 PM

I have found an issue when using NRD to downgrade the file format from 1.1 to 1.0 where it will effectively wipe out transparent backgrounds. I have uploaded a fix to NRD, though this will not correct CCFs that have already been modified in this way.

Hi Ben, Greg, Tim,

I'm now at my wit's end. I've uninstalled and reinstalled MB..68, NR1..44 and NR2..80 several times. I've used Tonto to clean up my PocketiTunes CCF as far as possible and uploaded it as version 3C.

The behaviour I see now is:

MB not running
*NR1..44 and NR2..80 both load CCF

MB running
*NR1..44 partially stable, doesn't crash, but I see multiple NR instances appear in the MB window and iTunes performance becomes highly erratic (seems to be getting conflicting and out of order commands from MB)
*NR2..80 unusable, when MB loads then NR crashes immediately.

Can you guys look at my version 3C and see how it behaves on your systems now? Note that I prefer to keep my CCF as version 1.0 so that it works with NR1..44. Also I don't have a license for the new NRD and after it corrupted my CCF I'm nervous to touch it.

Another crazy bug I'm getting with NR2..80 is that it corrupts the Pronto.ttf font. If I remove NRx.x, install NR1..44 then the Pronto font works. If I then uninstall NR1..44 and install NR2..80 all the characters disappear from every panel in my CCF (except the MJB List boxes which internally use a different font). Clicking on TONTO.TTF in \Windows\Fonts opens the Windows Font dialog but it's blank! See attached screenshot...

Rob H

October 30th, 2006, 01:10 AM

A reboot should fix the font problem. Let us know if it doesn't.

peterjwhite

October 30th, 2006, 03:54 AM

A reboot should fix the font problem. Let us know if it doesn't.

Reboot fixed the font problem, but that was the least of my problems: NR and MB are still mutually exclusive applications on my PC. Either one can run on its own, but NR crashes immediately if MB is present.

Rob H

October 30th, 2006, 05:31 AM

I'm afraid I can't reproduce this problem here using your CCF with NR 2.0.0.80, MB 2.2.0.68 and iTunes 7.0.1.8. All running on the same PC.

Do you have a software firewall running? If so then which one? Similarly, any anti-spyware or similar software?

If you have another PC available, do you get the same problem with NR running on a different PC from MB?

Mastiff

October 30th, 2006, 07:46 AM

Another thing: Have you tried to clear playing now for all zones, providing you use JRMC, or the current playback list if you're using something else? I have had one bad MP3 track in a zone I seldom used crash both NR and MediaBridge like crazy.

peterjwhite

October 30th, 2006, 02:33 PM

I'm afraid I can't reproduce this problem here using your CCF with NR 2.0.0.80, MB 2.2.0.68 and iTunes 7.0.1.8. All running on the same PC.
Hi Rob,

Are you saying that version 3C of my skin is running perfectly on your system? At least that's good news for the others who have downloaded it!

Do you have a software firewall running? If so then which one? Similarly, any anti-spyware or similar software?
My WinXP SP2 system has McAfee Desktop Firewall, Ethernet Port, WiFi, BlueTooth and a VPN virtual adapter. Hence if you run ipconfig you will see up to 4 network adapters. Maybe that's part of the problem too.

If you have another PC available, do you get the same problem with NR running on a different PC from MB?
I don't have another PC, but I made some small progress today in debugging the multiple clients issue, using MB 2.2.0.68 on PC, NR 2.0.0.68 on PC and NR 1.1.0.44 on PPC.

NR1..44 on PPC: If NR is running on the PPC before launching MB, then I will see up to 6 instances of the NR client when MB loads. If MB is running on the PC before launching MB, then I will see just one (correct) instance of the NR client when it loads.

NR2..80 on PC: If, after reboot, MB is launched before NR, then NR will run ok. Subsequently closing and re-opening either NR or MB will cause NR to crash. If, after reboot, NR is launched before MB, NR will still crash immediately.

Rob H

October 30th, 2006, 02:39 PM

Yes, the CCF seems to work fine, at least with MB and iTunes, I didn't test any other part of it.

Ben has introduced code that should stop the problems with multiple network adaptors, but it's possible that there remains a bug there.

Do you have Disable auto discovery checked?

Also, how many instances of the MB plugin do you have?

Might be worth deleting any existing instances and enabling auto discovery.

peterjwhite

October 30th, 2006, 09:12 PM

Yes, the CCF seems to work fine, at least with MB and iTunes, I didn't test any other part of it.
Cool, at least I should have some credibility with those who download it :)

Ben has introduced code that should stop the problems with multiple network adaptors, but it's possible that there remains a bug there.

Do you have Disable auto discovery checked?

Also, how many instances of the MB plugin do you have?

Might be worth deleting any existing instances and enabling auto discovery.
I think we're closer to finding the bugs and I'm guessing now that they are related to having multiple network adapters. My NR configuration was this: single instance of MB plugin using the PC's host name and default port number.

I then tried your advice, with MB not running I opened NR, clicked File;Properties;Plugins;MediaBridge;hostname, clicked "Remove" and guess what, NR crashed!!

I then launched NR again, went into the Plugins properties and saw that the MB instance had been removed. I confirmed that "Disable Auto Discovery" was not checked (i.e. Auto Discovery Enabled) and "OK"ed the properties.

First thing I notice is that the LinkActive field has a problem. With MB not running my PocketiTunes was in the state LinkActive=True.

Second thing I notice is that if NR is launched before MB, then MB doesn't detect NR. With NR already open on the desktop I can open and close MB with no change in NR and no IP addresses appearing in the MB window.

Third thing I notice is that if MB is launched before NR, NR seems to work ok on the first launch only. If I subsequently close and relaunch NR it crashes immediately!

Ben S

October 31st, 2006, 03:23 PM

Hi Peter -
You're not using an nforce chipset by any chance, are you? If not, can we setup a time when I can get access to your network in some way? Maybe open a tunnel in your firewall for me to get access to your media bridge instance? If NR is the thing crashing it's clearly getting something it doesn't like and I'd like to investigate.

peterjwhite

October 31st, 2006, 04:20 PM

You're not using an nforce chipset by any chance, are you? If not, can we setup a time when I can get access to your network in some way? Maybe open a tunnel in your firewall for me to get access to your media bridge instance? If NR is the thing crashing it's clearly getting something it doesn't like and I'd like to investigate.
Hi Ben,

I'm using a Dell Latitude D610 with specs below. I'm based in Shanghai which is GMT+8hours, are you based in US west coast? GMT-8hours? 24 hours from now would be good, when it's morning here, late afternoon over there. I'll PM you my MSN so we can chat in real time during the process.

Intel Pentium M Processor 750 (1.86GHz, 2MB L2)
Mobile Intel 915PM Express Chipset w/ ATI MOBILITYTM RADEON® X300 with 64MB DDR video memory
Video type: 128-bit hardware accelerated

Ben S

November 2nd, 2006, 03:27 PM

Hi Peter -
I'm on the East Coast (GMT-5). How about we try to touch base early next week? I'm away for the weekend. I have your MSN so will touch base with you. Thanks!

nurowolf

November 2nd, 2006, 08:36 PM

Hi Ben

I know you have heaps of pressing matters - and this probably low on the agenda, so no worries if the answer is no. Though I am keen to see speed improvements on my PPC - so is there a newer 2.8x version of NR for CE4.2 yet??

Cheers
Mark

dsmes

November 3rd, 2006, 03:58 AM

danward79

November 3rd, 2006, 10:31 AM

I can confirm, I have the same issue with the webbrowser.

I have informed Rob of a problem I found with an lua file, too.

Have you sped this version up or is it me?

danward79

November 3rd, 2006, 10:50 AM

Ben, is it possible to set the target girder instance for the mouse pad and button functions? I want mine to goto -2101!

danward79

November 3rd, 2006, 11:01 AM

gbumgard

November 3rd, 2006, 11:55 AM

I'm seeing a few issues with NR v2.0.0.81. First is that the web browser no longer works if your CCF is in the NRD 1.0 file format. The browser button either shows a small slice of the web page or nothing at all. Re-saving the CCF in NRD 1.1 file format fixes this problem.

This second issue occurs regardless of the CCF file format. I have buttons in a pop-up frame on the masterTemplate Overlay. The button has a PANEL_JUMP action followed by a NRBasic action to set a variable to zero which hides the pop-up frame. If the buttons in the pop-up frame cover an Avid text box or a web browser frame, it won't execute the panel jump (but does perform the NRBasic action). When you then unhide the pop-up frame, the button you just pressed is in the pressed state.

I'm probably responsible for the change in the webbrowser behavior.

I modified the browser plugin so it will only display that portion of a button region that is exposed with the parent frame. If the button hosting the browser is clipped by the parent frame, those portions will now be clipped. The browser window will always be aligned with the button rect, not that portion of the button that is visible.

Please check your ccf to see if this might be the case.

I'm not sure why the broswer is not working properly under the 1.0 format. I haven't seen this myself, but I suspect it is due to changes in the way that frames were managed. Do you have a ccf I can check?

-g.b.

dsmes

November 3rd, 2006, 02:19 PM

g.b.
With a CCF in NRD 1.0 file format, it doesn't matter if the browser button is in a parent frame or not. I know what you mean, though. I specifically display some overly large web images within a parent frame and use html absolute position tags to position the image area of interest within the frame opening. But that's not the problem here. Any stand-alone browser button also has problems. Even the "stock" NR ccf with the distribution (I used an older version that was in NRD 1.0 file format).

If you are referring to my second issue, see my observations here (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15164) or check out this (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=104409&postcount=64) CCF which illustrates strange behavior when it's the pop-up window that contains the web browser. I can assemble a test CCF that illustrates the behavior mentioned in my earlier post if you wish. Just let me know. Thanks for looking into this.

gbumgard

November 3rd, 2006, 03:13 PM

gbumgard

November 3rd, 2006, 04:01 PM

[updated]

g.b.
If you are referring to my second issue, see my observations here (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15164) or check out this (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=104409&postcount=64) CCF which illustrates strange behavior when it's the pop-up window that contains the web browser. I can assemble a test CCF that illustrates the behavior mentioned in my earlier post if you wish. Just let me know. Thanks for looking into this.

OK. I think I can explain what is happening in your ccf.

You are using your buttons to TOGGLE the variable used to control the display of your popup frame.

NetRemote will repeatedly invoke an action while a button remains pressed. The action won't stop executing until the button is released. So in your case, the action will be toggling the pop-up on and off until the button is released.

Now here's the tricky part:
NR is rendering the pop-up frame in a "real" window. If the popup window overlaps the button, the underlying window will not receive a mouse up event - it will get sent to the pop-up window instead. Since the mouse up event was never sent to the window containing the button, it will remain in the "pressed" state and NR will continue to repeatedly execute the actions associate with that button.

I'd rather NR didn't work this way, but that's how it is at the moment.

There is a simple workaround for this problem:

Use an OnRelease Lua action to set (not toggle) the variable you use to control the display of the pop-up frame. The pop-up will not be displayed until the button is released (and the mouse up event will be sent to the button window). This should eliminate the problem.

[update]

I've created an NRD 1.0 ccf with webbrowser buttons and have not had any problems. Can one of you identify a specific 1.0 .ccf for which the webbrowser does not work under 1.0 format? Thanks!

-g.b.

peterjwhite

November 3rd, 2006, 06:41 PM

I'm on the East Coast (GMT-5). How about we try to touch base early next week? I'm away for the weekend. I have your MSN so will touch base with you. Thanks!
Next week is fine. In the meantime I upgraded to NR81 and the problem persists, but the screenshot below shows an additional clue: corrupt data in the Library MJB List looks like a buffer overrun.

Note also that the WinXP error box showed up during this failure, but sometimes it's the Visual C++ error box instead and at other times NR can silently disappear without trace - the latter makes me suspect you have a memory leak or similar.

dsmes

November 3rd, 2006, 09:42 PM

I've created an NRD 1.0 ccf with webbrowser buttons and have not had any problems. Can one of you identify a specific 1.0 .ccf for which the webbrowser does not work under 1.0 format? Thanks!I just created this CCF in NRD 1.0 format and ran it on NR v2.0.0.81 and the Web Browser window doesn't show at all. I'll leave it to you to try and convert this CCF to NRD 1.1 file format. My bet is that the browser button WILL show. Let me know if you can duplicate this.

gbumgard

November 3rd, 2006, 10:15 PM

I just created this CCF in NRD 1.0 format and ran it on NR v2.0.0.81 and the Web Browser window doesn't show at all. I'll leave it to you to try and convert this CCF to NRD 1.1 file format. My bet is that the browser button WILL show. Let me know if you can duplicate this.

dsmes,

Well, this doesn't help much, but I tried your ccf and it works for me. However, I am running NR code that may differ from that included in the .81 release (may be more recent). I will need to discuss this with Ben. I will install the .81 release tomorrow to see if I can reproduce this problem.

Thanks for your patience...

-g.b.

dsmes

November 4th, 2006, 04:07 AM

Now here's the tricky part:
NR is rendering the pop-up frame in a "real" window. If the popup window overlaps the button, the underlying window will not receive a mouse up event - it will get sent to the pop-up window instead. Since the mouse up event was never sent to the window containing the button, it will remain in the "pressed" state and NR will continue to repeatedly execute the actions associate with that button.

I'd rather NR didn't work this way, but that's how it is at the moment.Thanks for the explaination g.b. That explains why the Execute Lua Code (OnRelease) never fired in Swampcat's CCF (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15164). Note that NR v1 behaved differently and a lot of people upgrading will get caught offgaurd. Fortunately there is a workaround here too. See the problem statement in post #7 (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=103617&postcount=7) and solution in post #9 (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=103727&postcount=9).

I tried your ccf and it works for me. However, I am running NR code that may differ from that included in the .81 release (may be more recent). I will need to discuss this with Ben. I will install the .81 release tomorrow to see if I can reproduce this problem. I could duplicate this on my office machine and my home machine. I also converted the test ccf to NRD 1.1 format and it didn't work until after I re-booted my machine. Strange... Anyway, I hope you can reproduce this and thanks for your help.

danward79

November 4th, 2006, 11:28 PM

Ben, is it possible to set the target girder instance for the mouse pad and button functions? I want mine to goto -2101!

Anyideas, on this one?

jwilson56

November 7th, 2006, 01:11 PM

I just upgraded to the newest .81 version and suddenly my serial number seems to be no good... anyone else have this problem?

John

Jlee

November 8th, 2006, 02:25 AM

I've been having problems with the connection between NR on windows and MB for several releases now. The link seems to come up and down about every second and in the MB window you can see the 4 digits after the IP address incrementing by 1 each time. I think I've successfully troubleshooted this now and have found that it only happens when I request the 'Comment' field from JRMC. My requested fields are as follows: Album Year,Tempo,Favourite Album,IPOD,Comment. If remove Comment it all works fine.

Jlee

November 8th, 2006, 02:26 AM

I just upgraded to the newest .81 version and suddenly my serial number seems to be no good... anyone else have this problem?

John
It's mentioned in the release notes that we will be getting new serials. When will we get these Ben?

gbumgard

November 8th, 2006, 09:50 AM

Jlee

November 8th, 2006, 02:18 PM

Hey gb, no need to thank me. Thank *you*.

Ben S

November 8th, 2006, 04:49 PM

Anyideas, on this one?
Yes. You -should- be able to (from NRD) use an "instance" version of these to go against a specific instance. Simply open the instance and use it's version of the touchpad instead of the default one.

I just upgraded to the newest .81 version and suddenly my serial number seems to be no good... anyone else have this problem?

Everyone should have. The key system is now redone to be much simpler.

It's mentioned in the release notes that we will be getting new serials. When will we get these Ben?
People in the system should have new keys, I'll pm you about yours, Lee.

dsmes

November 9th, 2006, 05:33 PM

I have buttons in a pop-up frame on the masterTemplate Overlay. The button has a PANEL_JUMP action followed by a NRBasic action to set a variable to zero which hides the pop-up frame. If the buttons in the pop-up frame cover an Avid text box or a web browser frame, it won't execute the panel jump (but does perform the NRBasic action). When you then unhide the pop-up frame, the button you just pressed is in the pressed state.Ben- I just want to be sure you and Brian were aware of the Avid text box issue. It's acted this way since since v...76 and possibly before. Since it impacts both the browser and the Avid text box, root cause might be totally unrelated to either.

peterjwhite

November 9th, 2006, 05:35 PM

Hi Ben, not sure if you saw my comment on the previous page about possible buffer overrun / memory leak. Let me know if you still want to try using my MB instance remotely over internet.

Ben S

November 9th, 2006, 06:20 PM

Hi Peter - Greg and I think we've found a few cases of buffer overruns / memory leaks. We're stress testing build 82, and will most likely have a release out tomorrow. If this doesn't fix your issue, then yes, let's go the remote route.

dsmes

November 17th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Hi Peter - Greg and I think we've found a few cases of buffer overruns / memory leaks. We're stress testing build 82, and will most likely have a release out tomorrow. Sometimes I can go half an hour and other times I can only go half a minute w/o NR freezing or getting a buffer overflow. Any way I could stress test build 82 with you guys?

P.S. How was the show? Any pictures to share? I hope you guys got lots of traffic!

Ben S

November 21st, 2006, 06:56 PM

The show was pretty good. Pretty darn busy, we had a lot of good discussions and feedback.

Greg is looking at one issue that Mike is having that seems to be a stability "gotcha" that we're trying to resolve. Once that is done we hope to release the next build for final testing.

dsmes

November 22nd, 2006, 06:33 AM

Thanks Ben. Speaking of stability, I happend to catch a NR crash that is not repeatable. I did a page jump in NR to a page with web browsers that are hidden in pop-up frames. Right as the page appeared, I got the "NR has encountered a problem and needs to close..." error box with netremote.exe in the error signature (ModVer: 2.0.0.81 Offset:000044ab). Below is what showed up in DebugView.
[1556]
[1556] 09:20:05.264] WebBrowser] Registering browser : Temperature
[1556] 09:20:05.498] WebBrowser] Initial URL:
[1556] 09:20:05.545] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c1-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[1556] 09:20:05.545] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadBegin received
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadComplete received
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c0-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c1-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnDocumentComplete received: URL=
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[1556] 09:20:05.655] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[1556] 09:20:05.780] ScriptEngine] Total time : 562
[1556] 09:20:05.780] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c1-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[1556] 09:20:05.780] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadBegin received
[1556] 09:20:06.108] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Start downloading from site: res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff_webOC.htm
[1556] 09:20:06.108] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Downloading from site: res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff_webOC.htm
[1556] 09:20:06.514] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadComplete received
[1556] 09:20:06.514] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[1556] 09:20:06.514] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[1556] 09:20:06.514] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[1556] 09:20:06.530] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[1556] 09:20:06.530] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadBegin received
[1556] 09:20:06.561] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[1556] 09:20:06.561] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[1556] 09:20:06.561] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[1556] 09:20:06.686] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Waiting for res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff_webOC.htm...
[1556] 09:20:06.686] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[1556] 09:20:06.686] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[1556] 09:20:06.701] ScriptEngine] OnTitleChange received: TitleText=http:///
[1556] 09:20:06.701] ScriptEngine] OnNavigateComplete2 received: URL=http:///
[1556] 09:20:06.983] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Done
[1556] 09:20:06.983] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadComplete received
[1556] 09:20:07.014] ScriptEngine] OnTitleChange received: TitleText=Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
[1556] 09:20:07.045] ScriptEngine] OnDocumentComplete received: URL=http:///
[3564] Lua Thread Done: 4676
Does this give any clue as to what went wrong? Again, this is not a repeatable error and it rarely happens. But I thought it might help somehow.

By the way FWIW, here is what shows up in DebugView when it doesn't crash:
[4312] 09:34:10.248] WebBrowser] Registering browser : Temperature
[4312] 09:34:10.280] WebBrowser] Initial URL:
[4312] 09:34:10.311] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c1-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[4312] 09:34:10.311] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadBegin received
[4312] 09:34:10.326] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadComplete received
[4312] 09:34:10.326] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[4312] 09:34:10.326] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c0-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[4312] 09:34:10.326] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c1-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[4312] 09:34:10.342] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[4312] 09:34:10.342] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[4312] 09:34:10.342] ScriptEngine] OnDocumentComplete received: URL=
[4312] 09:34:10.342] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[4312] 09:34:10.342] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[4312] 09:34:10.373] ScriptEngine] Total time : 188
[4312] 09:34:10.373] ScriptEngine] OnPropertyChange received: Property:{265b75c1-4158-11d0-90f6-00c04fd497ea}=0
[4312] 09:34:10.389] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadBegin received
[4312] 09:34:10.420] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Start downloading from site: res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff_webOC.htm
[4312] 09:34:10.420] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Downloading from site: res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff_webOC.htm
[4312] 09:34:10.748] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadComplete received
[4312] 09:34:10.748] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[4312] 09:34:10.811] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[4312] 09:34:10.811] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[4312] 09:34:10.811] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[4312] 09:34:10.811] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadBegin received
[4312] 09:34:10.842] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[4312] 09:34:10.842] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[4312] 09:34:10.842] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=
[4312] 09:34:12.951] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Waiting for res://ieframe.dll/dnserrordiagoff_webOC.htm...
[4312] 09:34:12.951] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEBACK.IsEnabled=fal se
[4312] 09:34:12.951] ScriptEngine] OnCommandStateChange received: Temperature.Command.CSC_NAVIGATEFORWARD.IsEnabled= false
[4312] 09:34:12.951] ScriptEngine] OnTitleChange received: TitleText=http:///
[4312] 09:34:12.951] ScriptEngine] OnNavigateComplete2 received: URL=http:///
[4312] 09:34:13.061] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=(3 items remaining) Downloading picture res://ieframe.dll/info_48.png...
[4312] Loaded device Info and panel Temperature
[4312]
[4312] 09:34:13.123] ScriptEngine] OnStatusTextChange received: StatusText=Done
[4312] 09:34:13.123] ScriptEngine] OnDownloadComplete received
[4312] 09:34:13.123] ScriptEngine] OnTitleChange received: TitleText=Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
[4312] 09:34:13.123] ScriptEngine] OnDocumentComplete received: URL=http:///I'm confused about the "StatusText=(3 items remaining) Downloading picture res://ieframe.dll/info_48.png..." line especially since I don't have any PNGs displayed on this page. Any ideas?

gdk

November 22nd, 2006, 01:36 PM

Hi. I have 79 installed on my Dell Axim. I tried installing the 81 cab file. Fails to install. Asks me where to install it. I selected device. Then it says installing. Gets about 80% done and says "Promixis Netreote can not be installed. Try installing to a diffeent location......

Any ideas? I do NOT have a key yet. 21 days left.

Thanks.

gdk

November 22nd, 2006, 01:40 PM

Also. On the PC I get this starting Netremote (after updae from 79 to 81)

...\Proxmis\Net Remote/luascript/ElementAnimation.lua:77: Attempt to local index activityWatch' (a number value)

Any ideas? Shold I go back to 79???

Rob H

November 22nd, 2006, 02:11 PM

That's my fault I'm afraid - if you edit luascript\ElementAnimation.lua and replace RegisterVariableWatch with NetRemote.RegisterVariableWatch

gdk

November 22nd, 2006, 02:11 PM

FYI: I did a SOFT reset on the PPC and tried installing it again. It worked.

gdk

November 22nd, 2006, 02:25 PM

Lastly. I'm trying to use NetRemote Designer and have found lots of issues and difficulties using it. Where should I post these concerns/requests?

Such as. It would be sure NICE if I could EASILY move items from one frame to another. Currently I COPY/PASTE/DELETE them.

Thanks.

Rob H

November 22nd, 2006, 02:30 PM

You can post messages about NetRemote Designer in its own forum http://www.promixis.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17

You can shortcut that a bit by use Cut and Paste instead, but that's pretty much the only way.

peterjwhite

November 28th, 2006, 11:39 PM

Ben S

November 30th, 2006, 06:33 PM

Yes, very, very close. Greg seems to have resolved most (if not all) of the memory leaks we were seeing. We have one last minor change we're checking on, and will have something available in the next day or two. My apologies for the delays, we're trying to ensure the next release is rock solid.

Mastiff

December 1st, 2006, 12:43 PM

Does that mean that you feel close to a 2.0 release? This side of Christmas, maybe? Would be a nice gift! :D

Promixis

December 1st, 2006, 12:47 PM

Does that mean that you feel close to a 2.0 release? This side of Christmas, maybe? Would be a nice gift! :D

Yes and Yes.

Mastiff

December 2nd, 2006, 01:34 AM

Yes!!!! :D

Ben S

December 3rd, 2006, 07:27 PM

Does that mean that you feel close to a 2.0 release? This side of Christmas, maybe? Would be a nice gift! :D

You mean for the NetRemote team, right? That would be a nice gift!

Absolutely. Release candidate 1 will be going up shortly.

nurowolf

December 3rd, 2006, 09:39 PM

Please don't forget about us CE 4.2 users in this release. I have been waiting a long time for a release that I can synchonise on again.

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 3rd, 2006, 11:20 PM

nurowolf

December 3rd, 2006, 11:22 PM

I am so Excited. !!!!!!! A new CE4.2 release yeah. And I was just starting to get some work done - oh well - who needs a job anyway!!!

Rob H

December 3rd, 2006, 11:37 PM

Hi,
I just chucked .0.83 over .0.81 and when i opened my ccf in NRD i have egyptian looking characters where the text should be in the tree. Do i need to re-install NRD?
Thanks
Dan

edit. also my marcel utils text i gone

No, you should only need to reboot I think.

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 4th, 2006, 12:25 AM

No, you should only need to reboot I think.

I tried that straight away but it didnt help. Maybe on the next one...

nurowolf

December 4th, 2006, 01:11 AM

I am getting an application error with with HP IPAQ5450.

2.0.0.81 worked no problem - but 2.0.0.83 won't work at all.

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this???

nurowolf

December 4th, 2006, 01:33 AM

So I just re-installed 2.0.0.81 to make sure - and yep it runs no problem on the HP5450. SO I decided to reinstall 2.0.0.83 - and again get an Application Exception on startup.

Not sure how to troubleshoot this.

nurowolf

December 4th, 2006, 01:43 AM

So I just tried to install the CE4.2 CAB files and I get the following error on start-up

The plugin specified does not implement GetFactory

\Program Files\NetRemote\plugins\drv_zoom.dll

Any ideas???

nurowolf

December 4th, 2006, 01:46 AM

SO both the plugins for ZOOM and AVID Utils get the same error on the CE4.2 image.

If I delete these two dll's then I can load up NetRemote.

This is OK for me at the moment as I have not yet made use of either Plugin, but this may affect other users out there.

nurowolf

December 4th, 2006, 04:34 AM

Rob H

December 4th, 2006, 05:31 AM

Can you both check the Pronto font in the Windows\Fonts folder, make sure it looks okay in the font preview.

Mortie

December 4th, 2006, 08:48 AM

I got the same issue when upgrading.
This is what I found:
The Pronto font set in the windows\fonts foder was a shortcut to \NetRemote\seguibk.ttf

I just deleted the shotcut in the windows\fonts folder and copied the pronto.ttf from NetRemote to \windows\fonts and restart the designer...

For me this happend when I uninstalled an older version befor I installed the new one. Doing a clean install on another machine was fine.

//Morten

Rob H

December 4th, 2006, 09:15 AM

A new installer will be uploaded shortly that corrects this issue.

Rob H

December 4th, 2006, 11:12 AM

Okay, the installer has been updated.

NB If you've already installed this version you'll need to delete pronto.ttf and seguibk.ttf from the Windows\Fonts folder before reinstalling.

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 4th, 2006, 12:35 PM

Can someone confirm that using a slider with a Avid Utils text string button element still works 0.81 and up? Mine seem to be broken.

Rob H

December 4th, 2006, 12:46 PM

I can't say that I've ever tried that. Out of interest, why are you using an AvidUtils text string on a slider?

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 4th, 2006, 01:28 PM

Rob H

December 4th, 2006, 02:33 PM

Ah, I see what you mean now.

This may well be an issue for Brian to deal with.

nurowolf

December 4th, 2006, 04:27 PM

OK - New installer fixed the font problem.

Should I try this on my HP5450? Or would this be a different issue?

imott

December 4th, 2006, 05:34 PM

dsmes

December 4th, 2006, 08:09 PM

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 4th, 2006, 10:03 PM

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 4th, 2006, 10:37 PM

I think some input from Brian is required. I'm having trouble with the display of Avid Utils, the EPG Server and PlayPick.

Also as i mentioned earlier my vertical (MarcelUtils) text has disappeared.

avid

December 5th, 2006, 12:08 AM

I think some input from Brian is required. I'm having trouble with the display of Avid Utils, the EPG Server and PlayPick.
The relevant point for me is whether these problems occur with any "standard" plug-in-painted objects (such as the web browser or MB tree/list). I suspect that they do, in which case there is a problem with NR's window/frame layering that will need Ben to investigate and solve. My current suspicion is that plug-ins are not getting "repaint" calls at all the points where they may be needed. However, this comes only from reading these postings - my own CCF is rather simple and does not have these issues.

Brian

Rob H

December 5th, 2006, 01:37 AM

With version 2.0.0.83, I get the following message upon launching NR2:

"Your direct IR trial has ended. Please register below, entering your name and key exactly as given to you."

Clicking cancel allows NR2 to launch and function normally.

This message did not occur with 2.0.0.81.

Thanks

The Pocket PC IR plugin is now a separate product - see http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15758

See the NR 2 Release thread here http://promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14088

Rob H

December 5th, 2006, 01:39 AM

Can I suggest that any issues people have with NetRemote RC1 be posted in new threads. It's extremely difficult to keep track of all the different issues in a single thread and your problem may well be missed.

dsmes

December 5th, 2006, 04:31 AM

Hi dsmes,
Dont mean to butt-in but... have you tried putting your buttons current actions in a function in your Lua and changing the button to Run Lua on Release? You have added a few things to the scenario there but I recall there is an issue with hiding a popup frame when the button is on said popup.Turns out there is a bug with that too! That's what I ran into in Swampcat's CCF (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15164). It would not make the function call from the button actions but would bring up the pop-up frame. And the pop-up call came after the function call in the button action list. See the problem statement in post #7 (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=103617&postcount=7) and solution in post #9 (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=103727&postcount=9) which is to call the Lua function OnDown. g.b. explained what is going on in post 101 (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106418&postcount=101) of this thread. One can duplicate this behavior with v2.0.0.83.

Promixis

December 5th, 2006, 07:44 AM

With version 2.0.0.83, I get the following message upon launching NR2:

"Your direct IR trial has ended. Please register below, entering your name and key exactly as given to you."

Clicking cancel allows NR2 to launch and function normally.

This message did not occur with 2.0.0.81.

Thanks

Hi Imott, we had been previously including the existing IR plugin as part of the NR beta with the intention of making it a separate add on at a later date. This is due to the way we have licensed the plugin. Sorry for the confusion.

imott

December 5th, 2006, 08:12 AM

The Pocket PC IR plugin is now a separate product - see http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15758

See the NR 2 Release thread here http://promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14088

Maybe I should have said that this occurs under Windows. I am not using a PocketPC at this time. Does this make a difference in your response?

Thanks!

Promixis

December 5th, 2006, 08:13 AM

Maybe I should have said that this occurs under Windows. I am not using a PocketPC at this time. Does this make a difference in your response?

Thanks!

Definitely... this should not be happening under windows.

imott

December 5th, 2006, 08:16 AM

Hi Imott, we had been previously including the existing IR plugin as part of the NR beta with the intention of making it a separate add on at a later date. This is due to the way we have licensed the plugin. Sorry for the confusion.

Thank you for the response.

As I mentioned, NR2 works normally via the NRIR Server to send IR out my USB-UIRT. How/when will I be able to get rid of this annoying message?

Thanks!

Promixis

December 5th, 2006, 08:19 AM

Thank you for the response.

As I mentioned, NR2 works normally via the NRIR Server to send IR out my USB-UIRT. How/when will I be able to get rid of this annoying message?

Thanks!

Its on the TODO list :)

Ben S

December 5th, 2006, 08:54 AM

Maybe I should have said that this occurs under Windows. I am not using a PocketPC at this time. Does this make a difference in your response?

Thanks!

I'm uploading a fix for this now. Apologies for the confusion.

All - your other issues are little more in-depth. The team will investigate and see about resolutions.

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 5th, 2006, 12:30 PM

I'm having trouble with the display of Avid Utils, the EPG Server and PlayPick.

Also as i mentioned earlier my vertical (MarcelUtils) text has disappeared.

Ok so.. That was my bad, installing the plugins for these features made them work.

The only real problem i am having is with the slider to scroll an AVID text string and the repainting of a scrolling text box. It would be comforting for me if someone could check the example text string ccf i posted here (http://www.promixis.com/forums/showpost.php?p=107975&postcount=147) to confirm its not just me doing something stupid.

Rob H

December 5th, 2006, 01:20 PM

It looks as though it should work, but it clearly doesn't.

Ben, Greg, Brian?

gbumgard

December 5th, 2006, 03:03 PM

;)

i havnt actually got a Avid Utils text string on a slider, i have a slider that is supposed to scroll the text on an avid utils text string button.

Its strange because this did work, and i actually thought i was doing it with a NRBasic scrolling text string component, but that doesnt exist!

Anyway..

this is an examle of what was working,

Dan

Dan,

Try setting the slider range to 1000. After looking at the plugin code, it appears that the slider range must be 0-1000.

I also see an old action attached to the button. You might want to remove that also.

-g.b.

gbumgard

December 5th, 2006, 03:29 PM

This issue occurs regardless of the CCF file format. I have buttons in a pop-up frame on the masterTemplate Overlay. The button has a PANEL_JUMP action followed by a NRBasic action to set a variable to zero which hides the pop-up frame. If the buttons in the pop-up frame covers an Avid text box or a web browser frame, it won't execute the panel jump (but does perform the NRBasic action). When you then unhide the pop-up frame, the button you just pressed is in the pressed state.

These problems still exist in v2.0.0.83

For my own part, I had not intended to change this behavior in NR 2.0. But I can see that this "button release under popup" is going to be a problem for many users.

I have devised a fix for this issue and will let Ben know that it exists. It will need to be tested before we can include it in a subsequent update.

As an interim workaround, use a lua (OnRelease) function to control popups. This will keep the popup from appearing over the button after the press but before the release.

-g.b.

dsmes

December 5th, 2006, 06:57 PM

g.b.- Thanks for looking into this.

Unrelated observation: I'm seeing the line below show up in DebugView. Seems to appear whenever I do a page jump. Still investigating...
[1288] 21:52:03.593] ScriptEngine] ...romixis\NetRemote\luascript\startup\EventsCompa t.lua:16: attempt to call method `GetDevice' (a nil value)

imott

December 5th, 2006, 08:11 PM

I'm uploading a fix for this now. Apologies for the confusion.

Fixed.

Thanks!

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 5th, 2006, 09:32 PM

Dan,

Try setting the slider range to 1000. After looking at the plugin code, it appears that the slider range must be 0-1000.

I also see an old action attached to the button. You might want to remove that also.

-g.b.

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your time, this has turned into curlier than expected one!

Changing the max for the slider var to 1000 helped in my text ccf, but didnt help in the ccf that was 'broken' as these were already set to 1000.

After much mucking about with it i discovered the only way to get that one to work again was to take the slider and text string of its parent frame, for some reason it seems to hate its parent!

This is not the first time i have had to delete an (otherwise fine) element from the ccf because it causes a problem.

If you are interested in seeing this for yourself and you would like to investigate to discover why this occurewd i have put together a little demo ccf. It has one of the offending pages from a ccf i am developing and it also has the same elements again just not the parent frame.

To see for yourself start the ccf and try to scroll the top text box, now edit the Lua and i the first couple of lines change the 'WindowIs' line to something other than 'Bio', now when you restart the ccf you will seem the same elements just ungrouped, and now it should work ok.

As i have already mentioned this was working then all of a sudden just stopped. Its too strange for me, but i thought you guys may want to check it out.

Cheers

Dan

avid

December 5th, 2006, 10:57 PM

I'm wondering if there's a pattern here - perhaps plug-ins don't get properly painted when they are on a frame. This ties in with Dan's recent symptoms and perhaps also Mastiff's non-updating scrolling text.

@Ben: Could there be a problem in plug-ins painting when on a frame?

Brian

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 5th, 2006, 11:13 PM

Hi Brian,
I dont think that is the problem, i put a text string element on a different frame and it worked just fine, it just decided i didnt want to work with that particular frame.
Dan

gbumgard

December 5th, 2006, 11:23 PM

These problems still exist in v2.0.0.83

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your time, this has turned into curlier than expected one!

Changing the max for the slider var to 1000 helped in my text ccf, but didnt help in the ccf that was 'broken' as these were already set to 1000.

After much mucking about with it i discovered the only way to get that one to work again was to take the slider and text string of its parent frame, for some reason it seems to hate its parent!

This is not the first time i have had to delete an (otherwise fine) element from the ccf because it causes a problem.

If you are interested in seeing this for yourself and you would like to investigate to discover why this occurewd i have put together a little demo ccf. It has one of the offending pages from a ccf i am developing and it also has the same elements again just not the parent frame.

To see for yourself start the ccf and try to scroll the top text box, now edit the Lua and i the first couple of lines change the 'WindowIs' line to something other than 'Bio', now when you restart the ccf you will seem the same elements just ungrouped, and now it should work ok.

As i have already mentioned this was working then all of a sudden just stopped. Its too strange for me, but i thought you guys may want to check it out.

Cheers

Dan

Dan, I tried your ccf and I can reproduce what you are seeing - definitely some strange behavior.

I believe it may have something to do with how NR handles events within non-transparent frames (a non-transparent frame creates an actual window element internally). If you make the bio frame transparent, the slider will work, just as if you had placed it outside of the bio group.

I'll see if I can figure out what's wrong. I'll try to give you an update sometime tomorrow (I'm on PST here).

Thanks for the feedback.

-g.b.

avid

December 5th, 2006, 11:27 PM

Ah - but did your test work if the string was "dynamic" in some way (e.g. changing data like a position counter, or scrolling with a slider)? These are things that can require a repaint.

What we've never found is a specific differentiating case to identify an underlying common factor for the problem(s).

Brian

avid

December 5th, 2006, 11:32 PM

Thanks Greg - we both replied at once - and maybe you have found the common factor.

Brian

gbumgard

December 5th, 2006, 11:35 PM

Oh and another one sorry Ben! ;)

I have a action http request in my ccf which has the following

http://user:pass@192.168.0.4:32570/sage/SageCommand?context=SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI&command=Down

It works fine from win32, but not from ppc.

I get the following error.

I am having no problems from internet explorer on the same device carring out the same command.

Any ideas?

This actually appears to be a problem in Microsoft's WinCE 3.0/PPC 2002 SDK code, though what the problem is I can't tell you. It should work but it doesn't.

Regardless, I have developed a fix that should be included in the next update.

-g.b.

Rob H

December 6th, 2006, 12:54 AM

gbumgard

December 6th, 2006, 12:01 PM

Dan, I tried your ccf and I can reproduce what you are seeing - definitely some strange behavior.

I believe it may have something to do with how NR handles events within non-transparent frames (a non-transparent frame creates an actual window element internally). If you make the bio frame transparent, the slider will work, just as if you had placed it outside of the bio group.

I'll see if I can figure out what's wrong. I'll try to give you an update sometime tomorrow (I'm on PST here).

Thanks for the feedback.

-g.b.

Dan et al.,

I have discovered the reason for the behavior you see in your .ccf.

PROBLEM: A slider that shares a parent frame with a scrolling text box does not properly scroll that text box. The slider can be moved but returns to its zero position without scrolling the text.

This behavior is caused by a feedback loop between the avidutils scrolling text box and the NR slider. The scrolling text box is setting the slider back to zero whenever the slider position is changed. The root cause for this behavior is related to repaint events within NR.

WORKAROUND: Bring up the scrolling text box properties in NRD. Check the "continue scrolling on change" box in the list of options (currently the last one in the list). This breaks the feedback loop between the text box and the slider position. The slider should now scroll the text.

I hope this workaround solves your problem. Let me know either way.

Thanks!

-g.b.

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 6th, 2006, 12:55 PM

I have discovered the reason for the behavior you see in your .ccf..... I hope this workaround solves your problem. Let me know either way.
Greg,

Works for me! Very nicely done.

So next up is a problem i have on ppc using a progress bar, i found a way to set up progress bars that i think is really neat, combining a slider thumb with a progress bar and topping it with a semi-trans image to create a groovy effect.

I created this demo ccf to show the problem a while back but the issue still exists.

On my PPC when i show bar #4 (the full deal) NR closes without comment.

To see for yourself load this up

Cheers

Dan

gbumgard

December 6th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Dan,
I do not experience the same problem with your progress bars that you do on the PPC. I do however see completely different behavior when running on PPC. The bitmaps appear to move with the slider on PPC but not PC.

I had to scale your CCF down to 240x320. I don't know if you see any problems with the bitmaps on PPC, but after-scaling, they appear to be quite screwed up. This could have something to do with the difference in behavior. I've passed this on to Ben. Maybe he understands what's happening here.

-g.b.

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 6th, 2006, 03:02 PM

Hi Greg,

I don't know if you see any problems with the bitmaps on PPC, but after-scaling, they appear to be quite screwed up.
Are you referring to the artifacts present in the semi-trans images? if so, yeah i see those.

The bitmaps appear to move with the slider on PPC but not PC.
I had noticed the progress bar works differently pc to ppc, on the pc it draws the replacement image over the top but in the same position, but on ppc it drags the replacement image over it starting at the bottom and pulling it up(or was it the other way around...). I think it would be really nice if you could choose which of these behaviours you wanted the progress bar to use.

I do not experience the same problem with your progress bars that you do on the PPC.
You can view bar #4 without the ppc shutting down NR? Well... i guess this is both good and bad news.

Is it possible that when viewed at 640X480 i am using more system rescources than i have available? I see a similar NR PPC exit with 0.83 and sending (almost) fullscreen imagevariables from girder, the last time i saw it exit i caught a glimpse of my program memory allocation and it was almost all gone, very shortly after NR was gone it bounced back to 23MB. I will look into this a little further tonight.

Sorry i cant offer anything concrete.

Dan

I adjusted my memory allocation and viola! no exit when setting imagevariables or when viewing the progress bar ccf.
I've left it running, constantly setting image vars, ill let you know if i have any troubles.

mhwlng

December 8th, 2006, 10:51 AM

I just installed 2.0.0.83 and I am now having problems updating web pages

say I have a template button with :
NetRemote.GoDevice("HOME","RSS");

then I defined :

function panelevent(devName, panelName)
...
NetRemote.ExecuteAction(-2,1,33,"WEBRSS,"..os.time());
...
end
...
RegisterPanelWatch("*", "RSS", panelevent);

If I press the button while the RSS panel is already displayed, then the panelevent is correctly called, and I also see the web page refresh, but the contents don't change.

Navigating to another panel first, then pressing the template button works ok...

so I think it has something to do with the wrong tmp file being used for the web browser contents ???

this worked fine in all the previous nr 2 versions...

Marcel

gbumgard

December 8th, 2006, 11:37 AM

I just installed 2.0.0.83 and I am now having problems updating web pages

...

If I press the button while the RSS panel is already displayed, then the panelevent is correctly called, and I also see the web page refresh, but the contents don't change.

Navigating to another panel first, then pressing the template button works ok...

so I think it has something to do with the wrong tmp file being used for the web browser contents ???

this worked fine in all the previous nr 2 versions...

Marcel

Marcel,

Would it be possible to put together a subset of your ccf that demonstrates this behavior? I'm not sure that I understand what it is you are trying to do. If anything, the webbrowser plugin in the recent builds is more likely to work than in the previous versions (old versions were reloading previous page immediately after loading a new one), including tmp files generated by sending string to webbrowser control.

Thanks!

-g.b.

mhwlng

December 8th, 2006, 12:02 PM

Would it be possible to put together a subset of your ccf that demonstrates this behavior?

See attached :

If you press the button multiple times, you see the web browser redraw each time, but the contents don't change (as they do in the previous NR release)

Marcel

gbumgard

December 8th, 2006, 01:41 PM

See attached :

If you press the button multiple times, you see the web browser redraw each time, but the contents don't change (as they do in the previous NR release)

Marcel

Marcel,

I can replicate the problem and have discovered the underlying cause for it.
The reason the refresh doesn't work is due to the way NR is creating and destroy panels as a result of a jump. The first jump to the panel containing the web control works. Subsequent jumps to the same page do not work because NR is constructs and destroys each panel on every jump, even if the jump is to the same panel.

The problem here arises because when the jump occurs, a new instance of the panel is constructed with a new browser instance with the name WEBRSS. Then NR destroys the old panel.

Unfortunately, the old panel had a web control named WEBRSS. This name is removed from an internal map when the old browser instance is deleted. There is no longer an WEBRSS entry in the map (but the new browser instance still exists). The actions now silently fail because they name specified in the action can no longer be found in the map.

This is only a problem if a jump is made to the current panel. I'm not sure if there is a good workaround for this other than to not jump to the same panel, or find some other method of forcing a refresh other than a panel load event.

Obviously, this is not what should happen. We will fix this in the next release.

Sorry for the inconvience.

-g.b.

mhwlng

December 9th, 2006, 01:18 AM

ok,
that workaround works ok :

function jump()
local PanelName = NetRemote.GetVariable("NR.PanelName");
if PanelName == "RSS" then
panelevent("HOME","RSS");
else
NetRemote.GoDevice("HOME","RSS");
end
end

gbumgard

December 9th, 2006, 01:45 AM

ok,
that workaround works ok :

Marcel,

I have fixed this behavior in the NR code - only required a single C++ statement.
This fix will be included in the next release.

-g.b.

Ben S

December 9th, 2006, 07:44 AM

Note that this was changed in rev 83 to support a change in the event system that Rob needed for the new version. Greg - does the fix support how Rob needs the system to work, still?

MC Chod

December 9th, 2006, 09:32 AM

mircea

December 10th, 2006, 11:52 AM

gbumgard

December 10th, 2006, 11:58 AM

it's done it again knocked out my execute from shell commands -as did the previous version so i have to go back to 2.0.0.80 can you guys find out what you've changed?
Is there somewhere i can download NR 2.0.0.80 I seem to have deleted it from my PC?

I'd like to help, but I'm not familiar with this problem and need more info. Can you please post a ccf that demonstrates the error?

-g.b.

Ben S

December 10th, 2006, 12:33 PM

installed from scratch JRiver MC 11.1, NR 2.0.0.83, NR Media Bridge comming with it and...
- NR on same machine can connect to NRMB, but when playing... JRMC "loops" on some 4 seconds...
- NR on remote pc connects to NRMB (appears in the list of clients), but does not get any info... neither current neither the library...

Any clues?
Thank you in advance!

Hi Mircea -
Can you check your MediaBridge instances? My guess is that you have too many, and made need to remove some and disable autodiscovery. The looping issue is -definitely- that, the 2nd issue sounds like potentially that, that it's actually connected to a different instance than the one you think it is, and you just have to change the current instance.

mircea

December 10th, 2006, 12:55 PM

MC Chod

December 11th, 2006, 01:10 AM

I'd like to help, but I'm not familiar with this problem and need more info. Can you please post a ccf that demonstrates the error?

-g.b.

this is to trigger pocket word from net remote and also the wifi page. It's fine in 2.0.0.80 (which I found and have gone back to) but from there on doesn't work. here's the CCF the executes are on the sky main page.

Akke

December 11th, 2006, 11:17 AM

The connection to windows Mediaplayer 9 seems broken. (Windows 2000 system) Tried 81 and 83. Mediabridge and player freeze.

EDIT: Tried 83 and winamp now, player starts up but mediabrige close.

gbumgard

December 11th, 2006, 12:08 PM

this is to trigger pocket word from net remote and also the wifi page. It's fine in 2.0.0.80 (which I found and have gone back to) but from there on doesn't work. here's the CCF the executes are on the sky main page.

You are correct. The shell command action has been broken for the last couple of builds - looks like it was my fault too.

This will be fixed in the next release.

WORKAROUND: Put quotes around the exe string, e.g. "\windows\pword.exe". I believe this may get you up and running again.

-g.b.

peterjwhite

December 12th, 2006, 12:18 AM

Hi Ben, I'm surprised no one else reported this, but after installing Beta .83 I get a message saying that my trial has ended. So I can't test it. Does this beta not reset the trial date? How to resolve?

MC Chod

December 12th, 2006, 03:32 AM

tried the quotes, it didn't work so back to 80 version :(
Look forward to the next release

Ben S

December 12th, 2006, 06:59 PM

Thanks, the loop dissapeared when getting rid of the autodiscovery on localhost, but the other one...
MB shows the remote connection for a while then there is some acivity, then deletes the client, then it appears again... the only data sent to the NR seems to be the zones defined in JRMC... no other info/actions are going through... and the port displayed in MB changes also!
weird?!
Mircea - If you go to the plugin properties on the unit that doesn't work and run a "test" can it connect properly?

The connection to windows Mediaplayer 9 seems broken. (Windows 2000 system) Tried 81 and 83. Mediabridge and player freeze.

EDIT: Tried 83 and winamp now, player starts up but mediabrige close.
Please run DebugView from http://www.sysinternals.org . This should show some error messages that may help us assist you. I suggest installing WMP 9 again as there are some instances where this can become corrupt. For WinAmp, ensure it's a full version if WinAmp with Media Library support.

Hi Ben, I'm surprised no one else reported this, but after installing Beta .83 I get a message saying that my trial has ended. So I can't test it. Does this beta not reset the trial date? How to resolve?
You are correct, the beta's do not reset the trial.

peterjwhite

December 13th, 2006, 04:30 PM

You are correct, the beta's do not reset the trial.
In that case I'll stick to NR1.x and try some alternative vendors. I've seen nothing but bugs and problems since trialing NR2.x and the "upgraded" NRD.

Ben S

December 13th, 2006, 06:01 PM

In that case I'll stick to NR1.x and try some alternative vendors. I've seen nothing but bugs and problems since trialing NR2.x and the "upgraded" NRD.

I'm sorry you've had such problems, we're doing our best to iron out the remaining issues.

If you'd like to try the new beta for an additional 30 days, you can use the following code:

Name: NRTRIAL
Code: BUKCU-A6YB2-2TP6H-AXQKB

Note that this extends the trial 30 days from the date I posted this message, not 30 days from the day you put the code in.

Also, if it has already timed out, NetRemote will exit after entering this code. Restart NetRemote and you'll see the demo has been extended.

Thanks!

Ben S

December 13th, 2006, 06:02 PM

All - Get your last posts into this thread, as the next release will have a brand new thread so people don't have to wade through 21 pages of posts.

peterjwhite

December 14th, 2006, 06:14 AM

I'm sorry you've had such problems, we're doing our best to iron out the remaining issues.

If you'd like to try the new beta for an additional 30 days, you can use the following code:
Thanks Ben, I'll give .84 a try.

mhwlng

December 14th, 2006, 07:24 AM

this version now shows a dialog box 'media bridge link ready'

when I start vista (rtm) media center

(I have mediabridge set to JRMC, by the way)

Marcel

gdk

December 14th, 2006, 10:31 AM

Regarding 0.84. I assume this includes all the IR passthrough stuff? Where should I post all the other issues I'm having or are you aware of them?

Akke

December 14th, 2006, 12:17 PM

Please run DebugView from http://www.sysinternals.org . This should show some error messages that may help us assist you. I suggest installing WMP 9 again as there are some instances where this can become corrupt. For WinAmp, ensure it's a full version if WinAmp with Media Library support.

Installing WMP 9 did't fix the problem and DebugView shows nada. When I kill the "Netremoteserver.exe" process the control of WMP regains.

With winamp 5.32 and full medialibrary, mediabrigde just close after starting the player.

DebugView winamp:
[1048] >>>>> winampGetExtendedFileInfo start
[1048] <<<<< winampGetExtendedFileInfo end (open failed)
[1048] >
[1048] >

BTW: using .84

mircea

December 15th, 2006, 01:51 AM

Hi,
Still have the issue with MB/JRMC on win20003...
Got rid of NAV tamper protection, Windows Defender, etc etc
MB shows the remote client but that's all... no information sent to remote NR.
The commands play, fwd, pause, etc are geting from NR to JRMC, but that's all!

Just because i need my jukebox, i had to install a vmware server hosting a winXP with jrmc/MB, but i find it an overkill solution!

Did somebody test MB on win2003 (simple 32 bit)?

Thank you!

Akke

December 15th, 2006, 03:01 AM

Did somebody test MB on win2003 (simple 32 bit)?

I've been running this setup with no problems. (NOD32 antivirus)

Mastiff

December 15th, 2006, 09:55 PM

Windows Vista Enterprise: Installing NetRemote MB tries to download Dotnetfx even though Dotnetfx 2.0 is part of Vista and works as it should with MB.

mircea

December 15th, 2006, 11:35 PM

come on guys, what could be the problem?
Give me a clue...
Tried everything i could imagine... disabled all other apps (mailserver, homeseer, girder, nav, defender, etc), enabled then disabled back the firewall, disabled the DEP, tried to look with sysinternals process explorer, it shows TCP links states "ESTABLISHED" and from time to time "LAST_ACK" - still on the other side, remote NR shows nothing... still: MP.link is true and commands are passing towards MB. On NR, from time to time it changes the zone.
Same from different remote pc's and several CCF's, so it' not a "client" problem.
see attached screen captures (home11= server, the others=NR clients)
Don't get it...
Please...

avid

December 15th, 2006, 11:56 PM

Windows Vista Enterprise: Installing NetRemote MB tries to download Dotnetfx even though Dotnetfx 2.0 is part of Vista and works as it should with MB.
My guess is that it explicitly wants version 1.1. My own "day job" software does the same. Although version 2.0 is generally backwardly compatible, there are pages and pages of documented exceptions - enough to worry about the amount of compatibility testing needed.

Brian

mircea

December 16th, 2006, 01:17 AM

heeeeeeelp!

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 16th, 2006, 01:49 AM

Hi,

I've lost the display of MP.PlayingNowCover using NR2.0.0.84. I'm guessing since there is no uproar, its just me and this may be a Foobar2000 plugin thing.

I tried going back to 83 and the image returned, when i reinstalled .84 the problem came back too.

Can i get confirmation this is not affecting standard players?

Dan

honnt

December 16th, 2006, 02:38 AM

mhwlng

December 16th, 2006, 03:03 AM

same here (same config as honnt)

Marcel

Ben S

December 16th, 2006, 12:34 PM

Noticed and we've fixed the issue. We'll have a new version which patches this available tomorrow morning after some testing.

Mircea - Are you using Whole Home? If not, are your clients using the same keys?

mircea

December 16th, 2006, 10:15 PM

i presume i'm using the whole home version, being what i purchased!
but even with only one remote NR, the behaviour is the same!

Mastiff

December 17th, 2006, 12:22 AM

My guess is that it explicitly wants version 1.1. My own "day job" software does the same. Although version 2.0 is generally backwardly compatible, there are pages and pages of documented exceptions - enough to worry about the amount of compatibility testing needed.
Brian
Brian, I have tried MB after stopping the download, and it seems to work as it should. So whatever it wants, it ain't getting it! Much like a Christmas present from granma...

avid

December 17th, 2006, 12:29 AM

Brian, I have tried MB after stopping the download, and it seems to work as it should. So whatever it wants, it ain't getting it! Much like a Christmas present from granma...
Oh yes - most things will just work fine with 2.0. The question you need to ask (as a developer) is "Do you feel lucky ...?".

Brian

Mastiff

December 17th, 2006, 12:38 AM

Well, considering Micro$oft's gun usually is a 44 magnum with an empty clip, I often feel lucky! ;)

sirbooker

December 19th, 2006, 08:36 AM

has the MP.PlayingNowCover using NR2.0.0.84. been resolved in media bridge ?
just wondering....

Regards Paul

theguywiththefunnyhair

December 19th, 2006, 12:46 PM

Nope, broken in .84, Ben said it is fixed in the next version.

Ben S

December 19th, 2006, 04:07 PM

I should have this version up shortly. Apologies for the delay.

Mastiff

December 22nd, 2006, 09:44 AM

This is probably too late to help anybody, but I sometimes have the volume on JRMC turned down to 0 when I go into the CCF page that has the volume slider on. I have wondered what was happening and understood it earlier today.

abarhorst

December 27th, 2006, 12:00 PM

Any idea when the update to fix the missing coverart will be releasead?

Ben S

December 27th, 2006, 02:03 PM

Sorry for the delay, we're working on one final kink to the new release.

yamy125

December 27th, 2006, 04:47 PM

Hi all,

Just installed this today and thought I would report on a few findings.

I realise that the cover art problem has already been mentioned - that was one of my observations.

The other is to do with Vista MCE and My Videos. Everything tested so far seems to work great except My Videos - which launches WMP to play the selected video rather than playing the video in MCE. Also, the picture slide show feature doesn't appear to work - selecting individual pics works fine.

Great job on the rest though - loving it so far.

Cheers

Chaudhari

December 30th, 2006, 02:26 PM

SlideAuto is intended for use when the button that opens and closes the frame is on the sliding frame itself (which must have a unique name). The button should have an NRBasic LuaEvent action with the value SlideAuto.

Here is an example that I wrote a while ago - I think everything still works.

Hi Rob,

I was using the function OpenOrClose(frame,targetpos) (with NR 2.0.0.76) to slide 5 frames from Point A to Point B and all the five buttons assigned to carry out that function worked fine. (Please note Points A and B is same for all 5 frames)

I wanted to change it such that only one frame opens at a time. I achieved the desired result by adding following function (in the RAHAnimation.lua file) with 'Execute on release' to all the five buttons 4 times with different frame names covering all the other 4-frame names excluding the current. But, because of that the sliding motion of the frames slowed down considerably. I don’t know, probably I did it in a crude way, that’s why.

function Close(frame,targetpos)
targetpos = targetpos or 0;
local fr = NetRemote.GetElementByName(frame);
if (fr == nil) then
return;
end;
local x,y = fr:GetPosition(fr);
local n = Animation:New(frame);
local newpos = 288;

if (y == targetpos) then
newpos = start_positions[frame];
end;
n:Glide(x,y,x,newpos);
n:Play();
end;
print('RAHAnimation loaded')

Now I have installed NR 2.0.0.84 and tried playing with the SlideAuto function with the ElementAnimation.lua to achieve the same result but no luck.

Note: My buttons are not the same frame (Please refer to the CCF attached)

I was wondering if there was a wise way of doing what I did in NR 2.0.0.76 to get the desired result.