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Luc
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
I will try to describe how I etch my PCB's.
25 years ago I also used the ferrochloride stuff until I found a better and much faster way.
I am not sure if the names for the chemicals are correct but I will try my best.

Once the PCB is ready for etching you need 3 products:
1: simple water (from the tap)
2: "salt acid" solution, this is used to remove chalk deposists from "pass thru" water boilers and also to remove cement traces from floor tiles and a lot of other applications. You can get it from most "do it yourself" stores.
3: Perhydrol, this is a more pure version of the "oxygen water" used to clean infected wounds etc.. You can get it at the pharmacy.

If somebody knows the correct English terms for these, please correct me.

The salt acid is the effective copper removing agent, the perhydrol is the activater to make it go quickly.

How to do it:

Put something like 5cl water and 5cl salt acid in the tray (must be plastic or so, not metal obviously....). Put the PCB in this solution and the copper will get a darker color, then add a little (1-2 cl max!) perhydrol and gently shake the tray, you could see some bubbles coming off the PCB.
You can add more perhydrol to let it go faster but be carefull to not use too much, if it goes real fast it might etch under the photoresistive layer if you don't remove it fast enough.
When etching is done rince it off immediatly and torouhgly with water .

This way etching is a matter of a few minutes with some experience.

Thake care with this solution as it might burn skin and clothes, the used solution now also contains copper besides the other harmfull products so you should dispose of it in a nature friendly matter, in Belgium we have dedicated locations where we have to deposit these kind of things.

I am of course not responsable for eventual accidents, pcb's with no copper left etc... :D

Luc
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
Marsupial,

It's not all that bad, people have different skins and are more sensitive for some products.
Just wanted to mention it, don't want angry replies...

I never wear gloves but handle and lift the pcb with some plastic stick like a coffeespoon. When there's some of the product on my hands it might become a bit white but is gone the day after.
Your gloves won't melt.

This solution "attacks" mainly stone (be carefull for your floor), chalk, metals and copper of course :D

Marsupial
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
er... all I need now to build my UIRT2 is the PCB. I wanted to do it by myself, I gathered all parts but the PCB.

I would rather not have to go to college to do it - being into software I would have several things to fill... Therefore I wanted to do it from home.

I have a little trouble finding Ferric Chloride and such etching materials in Canada... anyone have hints?

as far as I know, digikey does sell the copper clad board, but no etching *material*. I tought to buy the Ferric Chloride at RadioShak, but they stoped reselling this.

Therefore, I'm in need of hints of where to find it, preferably in Canada.

Thanks!

Marsupial
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
First of, I went to a surplus store... got half of it for about nothing.

I am in Montréal, so I went to Addison, they rules - no web order tought
try
http://www.bgmicro.com/
they seams great.

then for the missing parts (I still needed crystals, the PIC and the ir receiver (which is very different to the ir detector I had found at the surplus store)) I had to find somewhere. Digikey worked very great, fast efficient, quite unexpansive. go to http://www.digikey.com/

But now, I need the PCB stuff... :( I want to do it... if I would haev wanted to get it all done. because of course you can get a "do-it-yourself uirt2" from luc at www.fukushima.us/uirt2 but that's not the way I wanted to do it. ;)

anyhow, I'll find where to get those chemicals around Montreal...

Marsupial
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
er... Any preventions like gloves that suits this mixture?

If I have plastic protection goggles and rubber gloves, will it melt or be safe?

Marsupial
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
Ok, I checked nomenclatures... just to make sure to buy the proper stuff tonight.

the Perhydrol is indeed a sort of hydrogen peroxide (peroxide d'hydrogène in french) and using the one you have in the cabinet should be the same.

the salt acid was more unknown to me, so I did more research. Luc (en passant ton francais est excellent) told me it is named (in french) "esprit de sel" in his country. this is muriatic (or hydrochloridric) acid. In french it is then called "acide chlorydrique" (plain HCl ) Now believe me, I've got some HCl you'd rather have gloves and goggles when you open the bottles...

AS for the mostly unknow one of all, tap water (eau in french) is the plain H2O that goes flows about everywhere in your house ;)

Thanks Luc fo the hints!!!

now I'll order those boards without wondering about the ferrothinggy that RadioShak stopped selling... they just lost customers. :)

Hope to help you guys out!

kdnck
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
where did you order all the parts? For the same reason, I like to build the UIRT by myself. Thanks

MCM

kdnck
October 13th, 2002, 01:55 PM
You can buy a PCB kit at some local radio shack. But ofcourse, that will cost you around 20 bucks.

MCM