Using 800x600 CCF on the Simpad

[Dave T]

I'm using Ben's 800x600 CCF on the Simpad. It looks beautiful, Ben! Don't know why you say you're not graphically inclined. I especially like the way you mark things as selected by making the icons bright.

Anyway, I can't get it to play music, because I don't have a right click. What are the rest of you doing? Is there a Simpad version of this CCF I should be using?

Also, there's a funny thing in MJ. If I pick an album or song in the treeview pane, and click the play button (what I thought would work), I get a popup in Media Jukebox on the HTPC: "Warning" "Playlist is empty."

Thanks.

-Dave

[grog]

Hi Dave,

Use the directional pad on the right. Clicking it to the right works like a right click. You have to add something to the playlist before play does anything. That's why you're getting the error about empty playlist.

Regards,
Jason

[Dave T]

Thanks. I don't know how long it would have taken me to figure that out. With a manual in German, it's great to be able to depend on you guys.

I'm wondering if we should make it so that it works like a PPC - click and hold pops up the menu. The arrow keypad way isn't what UI designers would call a "discoverable UI". Ben - you listening?

[Ben S]

I think beautiful is a stretch, but thanks Dave. Of course, I didn't make -any- of the graphics. They're available in the user downloads section from Lawdawg. The -buttons- are beautiful.

Unfortunately the click and hold is a PPC specific thing, and not reproduceable on the Simpad. I'm listening, though. :)

[Dave T]

Ben:

We could reproduce the click and hold functionality pretty easily. When you get the WM_LBUTTONDOWN message, query the mouse driver to see if the button is still down. If it is, wait for whatever seconds (1 second?), and if it's still down, then pop up the menu. This is pretty much all the click and hold code does on the PPC, but it does it for you. There's a little more to it than that, but it should be perfectly doable.

What do you think?

- Dave

[PtrO]

Your talking about 800x600 ccf.

Does that mean you actually got Simmie working on that size ?

Just for a few days, I've a SimPad SL4 (WinCE 3.0 patched with fakes), installed NR and that does't give me only a small area to play in.

[Dave T]

Hmmm. You probably are using an older version of NetRemote. If you go to the main discussion forum, Ben posted a link to a version that will work on the Simpad. There's also an 800x600 ccf that's way cool, except for the small issue of having to use the arrow pad to bring up the right click menu.

[PtrO]

Hmmm. You probably are using an older version of NetRemote. If you go to the main discussion forum, Ben posted a link to a version that will work on the Simpad. There's also an 800x600 ccf that's way cool, except for the small issue of having to use the arrow pad to bring up the right click menu.

@Dave_T

Thanks but I can't find :( any other version for the ARM version (that's Simmie) then version 0.982 (of size 663kB) which represent itself as 0.98.

I searched but the newer :cry: versions 0.99 do not run and bump out with xC00000005, including the rc's. I presume because these are for PPC2000 which (I at least) apparently can't feed to the SimPad.

Perhaps you or any one on SimPad (WinCE 3.0) can point me where you have downloaded the version that run's 800*600, perhaps I can download it then more directly.

TIA

[Dave T]

Ptr0:

I have CE.NET 4.0 on my Simpad, and the PPC 2002/2003 version of NetRemote release .99 on the download page works for me. Maybe it's because you don't have CE 3.0. I think other people here do have CE 3.0 and have gotten it work.

Can someone help?

- Dave

[PtrO]

@Dave T:


Perhaps, the version influence things.

Nonetheless, I'm now able to get more or less, fullscreen running when I'm using an interface-skinned file that's configured to the size of the Simpad such as:


; Skin settings adapted Simpad SL4 running Wince 3.0
[Master]
Window=800,600

[Home]
HeaderImage=std-homehead.bmp,0,30,800,91
FooterImage=std-buttons.bmp,0,549,800,600
CCF=0,91,800,569
Date=10,30,90,50
Time=195,30,240,50
DeviceButton=157,45,239,71
MacroButton=0,45,82,71
FarLeftButton=0,555,60,570
LeftButton=61,555,120,570
RightButton=121,555,180,570
FarRightButton=181,555,240,570
FullScreenToggle=83,35,152,89

[Device]
HeaderImage=std-devicehead.bmp,0,30,800,91
FooterImage=std-buttons.bmp,0,549,800,600
CCF=0,91,800,569
MacroButton=0,35,82,61
Time=195,30,240,50
FullScreenToggle=83,35,152,89
HomeButton=145,15,193,53
DeviceName=157,54,800,89
DeviceList=157,90,800,545
FarLeftButton=0,525,60,600
LeftButton=61,525,120,600
RightButton=121,525,180,600
FarRightButton=181,525,240,600

[Macro]
HeaderImage=std-macrohead.bmp,0,30,800,91
FooterImage=std-buttons.bmp,0,549,800,600
CCF=0,91,800,569
MacroButton=0,45,82,71
Time=195,30,240,50
FullScreenToggle=83,35,152,89
HomeButton=145,15,193,53
DeviceName=157,54,800,89
DeviceList=157,90,800,545
FarLeftButton=0,525,60,600
LeftButton=61,525,120,600
RightButton=121,525,180,600
FarRightButton=181,525,240,600


Above allows me (in a way) to run full screen. The "*.bmp" pictures must of course graphically match the relative position of the button sense area and the files itself must be stored in the directory where the 'skin.ini' file is stored.

One of the quirks I encounter with (any) CCF is that my Simpad compared to normal PPC's, both in menu and fullscreen mode, remove appox. the top 12 pixel lines of the layout, causing that a (top) piece of the CCF layout is not visible.

Via above skin.ini file, I lowered the standard buttons, pictures & ccf layout about 15 pixels and now Simmie basically displays things ok.

Anyway thanks, so far I can have (with some quirky behaviour) full screen with an effective CCF pixel (as header *.bmp's need space) area of 800 (width) and 478 (height).

CU

Update (17oct03 10:57 CET): For those interested, above skin.ini file with the bmp's can be downloaded from NR_SL4_800600.zip (http://www.xs4all.nl/~ooms/tweaks/NR_SL4_800600.zip). Tonight, when I'm home, I will add a SimPad screen_copy to the the zip.

[Ben S]

PtrO - are you using a CUSTOM ccf (set to 800x600 size in Tonto) or a TSU6000 ccf?

You shouldn't need the skin if you're using a CUSTOM ccf, the skin is only if you're trying to run an old TSU6000 or RC9200 ccf.

The issue with the top 12 pixels etc. is working in one of the newer builds, but Simpad support is still being tweaked.