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windrockwater
October 23rd, 2006, 10:32 AM
Can anyone provide some tips for using netremote on a touchscreen monitor? I am considering getting a 15-17" touchscreen like the (ELO TOUCHSYSTEMS 1515L (E849124) Dark gray 15" Serial/USB AccuTouch Touchsceen LCD Monitor) from newegg.com for 430$.

I can set it up with an old pc as a kitchen-counter touchscreen for the wife to use with netremote/jrmc, etc.

I have netremote working on a dell axim and on my primary PC but I dont know anything about touchscreen monitors. Any advice/comments/words of wisdom? Will this be the amazing interface i think it can be for non-techies and guests to use to play music?
Thanks.
sean

Rob H
October 23rd, 2006, 10:35 AM
I can recommend the ELOTouch series - may be worth looking on eBay first though as you might find one cheaper there.

Pretty much the only limit then is your imagination and artistic/programming ability.

windrockwater
October 23rd, 2006, 10:41 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Now that i think about it, how about a dockable, tabletop wireless interface solution? Sort of like the old viewsonic tablet or maybe like a large remote control with a nice sized screen?

The dell axim is great but really the screen could easily be twice as large to scroll album covers, etc. Does anyone make a HUGE screened pda?

What are people using as touchscreen solutions? Honestly, a 15" ELO with a well-configured CCF seems like the holy grail. Am i missing something?

Sean

Promixis
October 23rd, 2006, 01:59 PM
Sean,

Do you want it portable or in wall?

tmorten
October 23rd, 2006, 02:31 PM
I used a Viewsonic v210 for a while (which Ben currently has :)). It's basically a big-screened PDA running WinCE 4.2 (with 800x600 resolution).

I found performance to be sluggish, but then I find performance sluggish on my Dell Axim x51v, so if you're happy with that, the ViewSonic will probably meet your need.

I suspect think that the TabletKiosk UMPC's might be the best performing solution at the moment (the newer Intel based variant), since they run full XP. These have docking stations, and supposedly they offer an extended battery as well. The screen is 7" and offers 800x480 resolution.

There are probably some bigger tablets out there that might also be suitable... be sure to check if their touchscreens support fingers or require a pen though, if that's important to you. Both the ViewSonic v210 and the TableKiosk UMPC support finger input.

Best,
Tim

wtf
October 23rd, 2006, 02:35 PM
These would be nice for NR...
http://www.tabletkiosk.com/tkstore/pc/viewcategories.asp?idCategory=35

Touchscreens are great with NR. I'm using a 17" Viewsonic touchscreen+laptop to interface to JRMC and Homeseer on another PC. I also have one of the 7" screens you can get for about $200 on Ebay - works fine and is an OK size. The lua interface is now powerful enough to make a real jukebox with popup windows for lyrics/info/etc. and playlist control. This winter I'll have to update to NR2. One thing I hope becomes available in lua is an interface to the ccf internals. I'd like to be able to reload all images with a new set (to re-skin and maybe resize for different screens).

Promixis
October 23rd, 2006, 02:37 PM
Tim, do other UMPC's support finger input? ie the Samsung?

tmorten
October 23rd, 2006, 02:49 PM
Other UMPC's support finger input as well (including the Samsung Q1), however the TabletKiosk is the only one I've found that offers a docking cradle (or even has a port for one). Not having a cradle to drop the UMPC into for recharging is a deal-breaker for me :). Hopefully more will become available soon that support docks!

Promixis
October 23rd, 2006, 02:57 PM
Agree, drop in docking is a must.

windrockwater
October 23rd, 2006, 06:43 PM
i am not sure about wall mount or tabletop. Honestly the way i am always changing things with my home system, i am reluctant to wall mount something and then regret it 2 months later when something better comes along. Although a nice looking wall mount would look sweet.

If i take the plunge on a wall mounted screen, i would have to snake a USB cable (?) and a power cable to the location on the wall from my htpc to hide the wiring.

I would prefer a coffee table tabletop tablet that rests in a dock i think. i sometimes surf the web in bed on my dell axim (sad isnt it) and a larger screen would be great.

What about this?
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/wirelessmonitors/v212/

I would only want it if it could speedily surf the web, browse album covers and dvd covers, etc. (and of course work with girder, netremote, jrmc).

sean

windrockwater
October 23rd, 2006, 06:48 PM
wow, those TabletKiosks look very nice (and pricey). Is anyone using one of these? Do they work well with netremote?

tmorten
October 23rd, 2006, 08:23 PM
The v212 looks like a faster version of my v210... Personally I would opt for the TabletKiosk (even though it's screen is smaller) because of its higher performance. It looks like the price is comparable.

teegee0001
October 26th, 2006, 06:57 AM
Found the samsung nexio (hard to find http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/335/C1757/ ) and the Fujitsu Stylistic LT P-600 ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200039032741 ) Fujitsu Stylistic LT P-600 Tablet PC Tablet PC(cheap), they are both small come with a docking station and would be top for an extender, just need to a top mce skin ideally with not just commands but with meta info coming back poss with mce control server.

tmorten
October 26th, 2006, 01:57 PM
From the Nexio link: " the Nexio sells for a cool $1249US without accessories".

My experience on WinCE is that NetRemote can take more than a second to jump from one screen to the next, and in complicated layouts, as much as four seconds. I know Ben is working to improve this, but for performance reasons, I'd be inclined to use an XP tablet rather than a CE tablet like the Nexio (particularly when XP tablets cost less).

The Stylistic on the other hand looks intriguing (particularly all the hard keys), but the lack of internal WiFi is unfortunate... they've got a PC-Card slot, and some sort of 'retrofit' accessory, but they both seem a bit clunky.

Jlee
November 14th, 2006, 06:40 PM
These are the 3 sites I've been looking at:

http://www.google.co.uk/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BfNVokWFaRbuQKpHGwQGUgrkM2cKyIc3gwsICyJSgBcD1QQ gAEAEYASgDMAE4AECKFkiKOVDQ2K_RBGC7zrmD0AqYAfqQBqAB mfjx_gPIAQGAAgGVAhd6MAqpAjp7CB4vAcA-&adurl=http://www.primemark.com/epos/touch-screens.php
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=L&ai=BpuC6kWFaRbuQKpHGwQGUgrkM9raQHq7ey8ADyJSgBfD9OQ gAEAIYAigDMAE4AECKFkiMOVC-ud7XAWC7zrmD0AqYAfqQBsgBAZUCGVowCqkCOnsIHi8BwD4&q=http://www.dicoll.co.uk/lcddisplays%26touchscreensover.htm&usg=__xPAQjYR7lDyFxS0SKtmvMBFugrM=
http://www.elotouch.co.uk/

Anyone have any recommendations? I'm thinking a USB interface will be better as the wires are thinner and easier to conceal than VGA. How are you all concealing the wires? I don't want wireless cos of the hassle with batteries.

Jlee
November 15th, 2006, 02:33 AM
Is this for real? Brand new sleek looking NEC touch screen LCD monitor for £123. Only snag seems to be that it's VGA and I'd prefer USB but what a price. It's just not clear whether it's actually touch screen or you need additional stuff to make this work. It refers to 'touch integration capabilities'.

Jlee
November 15th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Well I reckon that's too good to be true and it needs some sort of add-on to be touch screen. This is all so confusing!

I found this:
http://www.protouch.co.uk/AMAZING/itemdesc.asp?&CatMoveby=0&ic=TS15LSRWI001&eq=&Tp=

...and it refers to USB or Serial touchscreen interface and then mentions Analogue VGA. So does this mean you can hook it up using one or the other or do you need both cables? I'm completely confused now :(

Rob H
November 15th, 2006, 03:47 AM
The USB will be for the touchscreen interface, you'll need a VGA cable as well I'm afraid.

Jlee
November 15th, 2006, 04:18 AM
Thanks Rob. So how are people concealing these wires? VGA cables are so thick and bulky as it is but if you need a USB cable, a power cable *and* a VGA cable it's going to look like spagetti junction running up your wall! :(

Jlee
November 15th, 2006, 04:28 AM
Well to partly answer my own question here's a link to a clever dude who used Cat5 cable for long VGA runs. Anyone who's seen me with a soldering iron will know this is not an option for me :(

http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/vgacable.html

Rob H
November 15th, 2006, 04:41 AM
Are you planning on wall mounting this then? If you don't want to channel out the wall then some form of stick-on conduit would probably work - e.g. something like http://tinyurl.com/yk8zst

Jlee
November 15th, 2006, 05:40 AM
Yes I guess that's the most cost effective way to go. I may even go through the wall and then back through straight into the back of it. This would mean I'd need a cable tidy in the adjacent room but it would make the main room look really good. I've done that in my current kitchen to put an LCD on the wall with apparently no wires.

The difficulty with this approach is when your PC is half way around the room and you have hard flooring because there's no easy way to run the cables round the floor area.

wang191
December 4th, 2006, 12:49 PM
this is a company i found a while ago. It looks like they have some nice products although I have never purchased from them, but I am considering it.

www.redradio.com

Jlee
December 7th, 2006, 03:40 AM
The RelayTouch UTMA looks like a nice product but it's more expensive than I need to pay and since I do have a dedicated HTPC within reach I am probably better off just going for the in-wall touch monitor. The problem I keep coming back to is how do I get a VGA, USB and power cable retrofitted in to the wall ?

Rob H
December 7th, 2006, 04:27 AM
Somewhere I have seen skirting that's designed to take cables, might be worth a Google, but I'd bet it isn't cheap. Could you run the cables up through the ceiling and then down again?

Having said that, I'm not entirely convinced about wall mounted touchscreens; they don't seem very convenient to me.

May be worth considering a MiniITX or even NanoITX PC just for the touchscreen. Perhaps you could build that into a piece of furniture, e.g. under a table with the touchscreen on top?

Promixis
December 7th, 2006, 08:14 AM
The RelayTouch UTMA looks like a nice product but it's more expensive than I need to pay and since I do have a dedicated HTPC within reach I am probably better off just going for the in-wall touch monitor. The problem I keep coming back to is how do I get a VGA, USB and power cable retrofitted in to the wall ?


There are USB/VGA over Cat 5 solutions... not cheap though

Jlee
December 7th, 2006, 11:49 AM
A small PC with Wifi is not a bad idea but obviously it will still need power. I think if I do it I'll probably look to send all the cables up the wall of an adjacent room using some conduit (painted same colour as the wall) then through the wall straight into the back of the wall mounted screen. Then at least no wires are showing in the main room. The adjacent room will probably be a hallway so no big deal.

ianwfrost
December 10th, 2006, 01:15 PM
I've been think along similar lines for several months.

Have a search on ebay for touchscreens and you'll several VGA/USB.

I'd been thinking about using MC's theatre view to control everything, but this new skin is in many respects even better.

Jlee
December 11th, 2006, 02:37 AM
Theatre view? Ughhh. This is much nicer: ftp://rigbys.blogdns.net/NetRemote/OpusNR%201024%20Pics/Main.jpg

Promixis
December 11th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Theatre view? Ughhh. This is much nicer: ftp://rigbys.blogdns.net/NetRemote/OpusNR%201024%20Pics/Main.jpg


Thats looking great. Is your CCF available to d/l?

Jlee
December 13th, 2006, 04:22 AM
That's just the simple music only OpusNR that I knocked up for others to use. See this thread:

http://www.promixis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15578

I'm working on converting my own CCF to this format but so far have only bothered with the music section. Basically I converted my 320*240 JLee.ccf to 1024*768 then updated the Music Pages only. I've not posted this as it's very customised and unfinished (except Music) but I can let you have a copy if you like. I'm really pleased with the music section, which is very simple, user friendly, and fast.